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tyrant_eye #1 Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

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I was looking at the Panther M10 and was like thinking is it worth to get it now at 4k after discount for crew training and general fun? I like using german mediums.

But no matter how i look at it..it totally feels like a stock panther with slight improved mobility and traverse only but weaker gun. Would appreciate some feedback from existing users of this tank with regards to its combat ability and credit ability. Thanks.

Carabao #2 Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

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Get the PZ IV S. instead. Same gun but the IV S. have lighter MM value.

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View PostCarabao, on 20 February 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Get the PZ IV S. instead. Same gun but the IV S. have lighter MM value.

Not really. Pz IV S. battle tier 6-8. Panther M10 battler tier 7-8. Both see tier 8 max. Pz IV S. has a chance of being in battle tier 6 but Pz V/M10 has almost double hitpoints, slightly faster ROF and better horsepower to weight ratio. I'd rather be a Pz V/M10 in a tier 7 or 8 battle than a Pz IV S. in the same battle even if I don't get into tier 6s.


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Can it do anything in battle or totally reliant on teammates to do well? SEA pubs are not the most teamwork oriented... The basic panther is very team oriented in order to do well...

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*shrug* I do well in my Pz V/M10 even though I play solo almost all the time. I would say the Pz V/M10 is less reliant than the Pz IV S. since it has a lot more hitpoints and "some" armor. YMMV.

That said, if you can get the normal Panther might as well just get that instead... though you will have to face tier 9s occasionally.


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View Postamade, on 20 February 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

*shrug* I do well in my Pz V/M10 even though I play solo almost all the time. I would say the Pz V/M10 is less reliant than the Pz IV S. since it has a lot more hitpoints and "some" armor. YMMV.
Does it earn well? I know it likely earn less than T8 premium. I have 2 T8 premium alrdy for credit grinding. What i need is a crew trainer. But i do hope to make some profit at least while using it.

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While I only just bought it this evening, I would say it is worth it, compared to a medium which has 9 hp/ton. Heck, I got a Lehvaslaiho’s Medal already. And yes, the cheap ammo means its easy to earn creds in it, since it usually gets games where it can pen largely everything from the side and front weakspots.

Note: Im one of the few people who enjoy just playing the non-prem panther with stock gun and turret, so I like the Panther M10 easily.

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View PostTenoori_Taiga, on 20 February 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

While I only just bought it this evening, I would say it is worth it, compared to a medium which has 9 hp/ton. Heck, I got a Lehvaslaiho’s Medal already.
How is it so far? What do you think of it? Can summarise for me? I like reasonably fast tanks with good armour and a decent gun. (IS-3/IS-6/IS/VK3601H). Is it like them?

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Waste of gold unless you enjoy playing the panther or are looking for collectibles.

Try it out on the test server. Imho it doesn't play like a German medium because of its sub-par penetration. You will absolutely struggle against T-29s and SU-122-44s, and tier 8s you have to flank with your "meh" mobility.

Otherwise, 122-44/Spershing is worth the extra 2000-3000 gold for cred generation. Since you mentioned you are looking at crew training, why not the T-25? I like mine on the NA server at least, I find it plays a lot like a T49 and similar to the normal panther (good mobility, terrible manoeuvrability)

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View Posttyrant_eye, on 20 February 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

How is it so far? What do you think of it? Can summarise for me? I like reasonably fast tanks with good armour and a decent gun. (IS-3/IS-6/IS/VK3601H). Is it like them?

If you're okay with the VK3601H's speed you'll be okay with the Panther. However, the VK3601H has more armor so you might feel the Panther and its premium partner is lacking a bit in that department.

The Pz V/M10 gun is the Panther's stock gun. Not much alpha and just average penetration. Personally, I like the ROF and the preferential matchmaking the tank gets works for the gun.


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Alternatively, if you need a German premium medium tank premium for crew training you can get the T-25. Some of its good points is that it's got decent sloped armor for its tier and rarely for a German tank it has good gun depression as well.

edit: oops, double posted. I thought I was in edit mode.


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It's a good tank. and you'd like it if you like the panther.

the panther m10 was at the very start intended to be a collectors tank (it's hangar tank,play it? what play it, you'd damage the beautiful paint job!) and it's certainly not a cred farmer.

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View Posttyrant_eye, on 20 February 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Can it do anything in battle or totally reliant on teammates to do well? SEA pubs are not the most teamwork oriented... The basic panther is very team oriented in order to do well...
The Panther-M10 is in no way a game changer, but I wouldn't say it is totally reliant on teammates. Just almost.

View Posttyrant_eye, on 20 February 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Does it earn well? I know it likely earn less than T8 premium. I have 2 T8 premium alrdy for credit grinding. What i need is a crew trainer. But i do hope to make some profit at least while using it.
This should help. Skip to 05:09 for the Panther-M10, and 12:55 for its credit comparison.


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How is it so far? What do you think of it? Can summarise for me? I like reasonably fast tanks with good armour and a decent gun. (IS-3/IS-6/IS/VK3601H). Is it like them?
I've played just over a 1000 battles in the Panther-M10 and I can say that I absolutely love it, but that's just me. I've never joined a platoon or TC. It is reasonably fast but feels abit slow when driving over hills. Very poor camo value just like a heavy. Don't think it has really good armor as it can be penetrated by almost anything at tier 7, though I do get ricochets from the sloped front. Gun is decent against lower tiers, but against tier 7 or 8 tanks it is outmatched. Keep in mind that its damage is just a pinprick against high tier tanks. Always flank, and never attack head-on.

No way is it like any of the IS tanks you mentioned because they all have superior armor and firepower. To me, I get the feeling that this tank is very unpopular as I rarely see one in battle other than my own. Probably why they decided to give it a discount.


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I enjoyed the Panther/M10 when I had it. It's more fire support than flanker since that gun has low pen. The big HP makes a difference though, just don't brawl against Tier 8s. Stick with the heavies and support them and flank late in game if your team has the upper hand.

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View PostTenoori_Taiga, on 20 February 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

Note: Im one of the few people who enjoy just playing the non-prem panther with stock gun and turret, so I like the Panther M10 easily.

This is kind of the reason why I bought the Panther M10. I wanted to use the Panther with stock turret but I found it horribly inadequate so I bought the Panther M10 when it was 30% off.

It's alright but not great. The extra traverse rate is nice and it's got a whopping 1300 hit points. The gun is good, accurate and high RoF but the best point about this tank is that you never see tier 9's.

I wouldn't pay full price for the Panther M10 but for 30% off I would say it's worth it. That being said, if you're looking for a good tier 7 premium get the SU122-44. That thing is quite possibly the best tier 7 TD and that's not taking into account the credit making ability.

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View PostSmilez91, on 21 February 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:


I wouldn't pay full price for the Panther M10 but for 30% off I would say it's worth it. That being said, if you're looking for a good tier 7 premium get the SU122-44. That thing is quite possibly the best tier 7 TD and that's not taking into account the credit making ability.

i did think about the M10 as a crew trainer for my German mess but find the normal Panther even with the top guns a little underwhelming so a stock gun would be disappointing.

I agree on the SU-122-44 front as an excellent T7 TD. War gaming says it has the highest DPM in the game bar none and I think they are right. Front armour is average but in line with others and nicely sloped and angled but camo rating is high and is so fast and nimble you can play some different roles. Have had some great games in mine.

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View PostShredR, on 21 February 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

War gaming says it has the highest DPM in the game bar none and I think they are right. Front armour is average but in line with others and nicely sloped and angled but camo rating is high and is so fast and nimble you can play some different roles. Have had some great games in mine.

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Nope. Not counting end tier artillery (or howitzers) 268 has highest dpm at 3000, and next is 263 with 2997. Howitzers i cannot say, because even the PzKpfw IV at tier 4 has more than the 268! xD The SU-122-44 does have a HIGH DPM, but not nearly the best at 2925. :) hope that helps.

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View PostShredR, on 21 February 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

i did think about the M10 as a crew trainer for my German mess but find the normal Panther even with the top guns a little underwhelming so a stock gun would be disappointing.

Yeah, I've got my DB crew in it for now, waiting for when the new mediums to get introduced. When compared to the other tier 7 mediums it's 150mm average penetration is right in line. The gun is pretty good considering that the tank gets special matchmaking, it never sees tier 9. In my opinion that is the biggest positive for the Panther M10.

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my one and only request for the panther m10 is that, they increase the damage of the L/70, just a little bit ( maybe like how they buffed the long 8.8) :Smile_harp: