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Burma_tiger #1 Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

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I don think I am  too fussy about how tanks in this game that they have to be down right historical accurate (in terms of performace and apperance details) , but the many Chinese lines are just tanks from Starcraft except the two from Tier I and Tier II tanks. I mean, Tanks used by the Chinese force during WWII can easily be found on internet, whats the
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In 1935 10 PzKpfw Is and SdKfz 221 and SdKfz 222 armored cars were purchased. r
Also 20 Italian CV 33  were purchased around the same time......
From Britain 16 Vickers 6-Tons and 29 Vickers Carden Loyds,


In 1943 a Provisional Tank Group was being reequiped in India with M4A4 Shermans, M3A3 Stuart, half-tracks, and Bren Carriers. It went into battle in 1944 in Burma.


yes, the use of M5A1 AND Type 2597 Chi-Ha is accurate, but thats after WW2.  If post WW2 tanks can be considered anyway, a large arsenal of Chinese tanks can be looked up from both the National force in Taiwan and the Commie force from Mainland.

Last but not least, these armour force were definitly not driven by the communitist Chinese, as depicted.

or may be the game creator are tryting to be "polictical correct"?

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Pzkpfw Is are in German Tech Tree.

M4A4 Shermans are in the USA Tech tree.


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I do not mind having some same tanks on different tech tree , just like FT17 between Chinese and French. Who about you guys?

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View PostDeathskyz, on 30 March 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Pzkpfw Is are in German Tech Tree.

M4A4 Shermans are in the USA Tech tree.

And the M5 Stuart is in the American tree, the FT 17 (Renault NC-31) is in the French tree, the T-26, Ahh, I mean the Vickers Mk. E Type B, is in the Russian Tree, so is the Type (T-34), Type 58 (T-34-85), Wz 120/Type 59 (T-54) and IS-2 (1), so your point is?

The point would be the Chinese line is a borrow token line, aimed at the Chinese market.

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Well... the Pz 1 is already in the German tech tree, so if you want it in it'll end up as a premium tank.(giving the mediocre of the normal one stats fully upgraded...ugh)
World Of Tanks is...about tanks. Armored German cars and Italian tankettes that are armed with machine guns are facing derps(even at tier 2).
Basically what you're suggesting is that China purchased a ton of jim-jam stuff which is pretty inconsistent in terms of performance. Unless you can find one entire new line of tanks the only potential your tanks probably have is to be made premium or end up in a dead-end line like the Chaffee or T-50-2.

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surprisingly, the tanks we have may have been historical

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View Postmttspiii, on 30 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

surprisingly, the tanks we have may have been historical
Well they are losely historical.
The WZ-120 is more or less a Type 59 prototype (they ninja the T-54A) and the (WZ-)121 is more or less a Type 69 prototype.
They do however have bigger guns then they have in real life.

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I think China should have an alternate line from the start, and be the only nation with two tier 1's.
Tier 1: CV-33, performs like a slightly faster and less armored NC-31
Tier 2: Pz.I, the same as the German one but with a Chinese gun and radio
Tier 3: Vickers Carden-Loyd, like a direct-fire only Loyd SPG (China needs its derps)
Tier 4: The Stuart acts like a unifier for the lines, similar to the Grille for the German SPG's.
Tier 5: The M4A4 Sherman imported from the US as an alternate to the T-34

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View PostSpirit_of_Ulthanash, on 31 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

I think China should have an alternate line from the start, and be the only nation with two tier 1's.
Tier 1: CV-33, performs like a slightly faster and less armored NC-31
Tier 2: Pz.I, the same as the German one but with a Chinese gun and radio
Tier 3: Vickers Carden-Loyd, like a direct-fire only Loyd SPG (China needs its derps)
Tier 4: The Stuart acts like a unifier for the lines, similar to the Grille for the German SPG's.
Tier 5: The M4A4 Sherman imported from the US as an alternate to the T-34

Hm, maybe:
CV-33 is very likely to be slated for the EU line, or the Italy mini-line
Pz.1 with the 45mm 20K? Must be interesting.
Vickers Carden-Loyd is an SPG? Chinese SPG line it is.
We already have a lot of upcoming Sherman variants (Sherman II, Improved Sherman, Firefly, possibly the Super Sherman, et. al.). It would be hard to give the Chinese Sherman a defining feature.

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Personally, I'd also like to see the Nationalist/Communist split reflected in the Chinese tech tree. Maybe around tier 3 or 4 where the choice would branch out into Nationalist and Communist light and mediums.

That's just me though. Only just started up on the ChiComm light tree and enjoying it. I don't mind prototype tanks, IMO.

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I wonder if Chinese then Kuomintang received any tank destroyers like T40 from the USA from Burma.  I know they got few of the universal gun carrier from the British from Burma.

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Last thing this game needs is moar clone tanks... Especially in the already clone heavy Chinese tech tree. 

Id honestly prefer a few paper Chinese tanks to more low tier rubbish, the Chinese low tiers were not fun tanks (except the M5A1), as nothing carried over and there was no unifying theme. 

 

 


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View Postkarl0ssus1, on 31 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Last thing this game needs is moar clone tanks... Especially in the already clone heavy Chinese tech tree. 

Id honestly prefer a few paper Chinese tanks to more low tier rubbish, the Chinese low tiers were not fun tanks (except the M5A1), as nothing carried over and there was no unifying theme. 

 

 

 

Except being clones...



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View PostStormtroop3r, on 31 January 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

 

Except being clones...

You have me there.


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View PostISG_Deathskyz, on 30 March 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Pzkpfw Is are in German Tech Tree.
M4A4 Shermans are in the USA Tech tree.

 

But Matildas and Churchills are in both Russian and British trees.


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I do not expect, nor wish the Chinese tree to be that many. Most of their tanks are either bought, copied, or captured from foreign powers.
Low-tier tanks like Renaults and Stuarts are fine because there really isn't much of a choice.

 

Some nations modified the tanks they received enough to justify their implementation (Valentines, Sextons, and the upcoming Fireflies), of have a variant of another tank that can be implemented differently (Churchill III).
Having a regular line of clones isn't good for the game. It dilutes the content and makes it seem cheap and lazy.

Historical accuracy is not an excuse to ruin the game. Tanks must not only exist, there must be justification for their implementation from the perspective of game development.


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I wouldn't mind more vehicles being added to the Chinese lines, even if it is more "clone tanks". Just give them some different modules and stats = different gameplay.

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View PostBurma_tiger, on 30 March 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

I do not mind having some same tanks on different tech tree , just like FT17 between Chinese and French. Who about you guys?

 

There are already too many Renault FT veriant. Renault FT (French)   NC31 (Chinese)    Renault Otsu (Japan)    MS1 (USSR)

AND (not proved by WG), the new EU tree might have another Renault FT veriant, the Fiat 3000B.

 

I do like angling the FT and bouncing shells in it, but no thanks


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View Postalexanderleung, on 06 November 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

 

There are already too many Renault FT veriant. Renault FT (French)   NC31 (Chinese)    Renault Otsu (Japan)    MS1 (USSR)

AND (not proved by WG), the new EU tree might have another Renault FT veriant, the Fiat 3000B.

 

I do like angling the FT and bouncing shells in it, but no thanks

 

For such an influential tank, there's certainly not enough Renault FT variants. The Americans had the M1917, the British used the Renault FT as well (the Marks had less bearing on the development of future UK tanks as compared to the Renault FT), and the Germans had a thousand Renault FT captured.

 

Renault FT for everyone!


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