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Yiren #41 Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:04 AM

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View Posthomingk, on 14 August 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

We bought a lot of British military hardware for S$1, from bloodhound SAM missile to Lee Enfield sniper rifle.

Cheaper than Gold.  The $1 thing is true.  We bought the A4 Skyhawks at $1 too from US.

By the way, since there are so many real AMX13-75 tankees out there, may I ask a question?

What camo pattern did the SAF actually use on the AMX13?  We only see the solid single-colour very dark green-black during National Day Parade.  On the SAF ads, they may add some branches & leaves (camo net), but don't see any actual camo paint job.  Any insights here?  I try to buy same one in the game.   :blinky:


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homingk #42 Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:19 PM

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1 of the most "beautiful" color scheme ever to be put on our AMX13/SM1 is the tiger for the legendary soldier - 'Tiger
Hong' retirement!  Some storage AMX-13/SM1 have managed to turn into a shade of dirty pink which is not surprising at all.
The last color scheme before our AMX13/SM1 retired was a dark grey like what you see on our armor assets now.

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Wow that is quite a bit of research you got there :)


homingk #44 Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:18 PM

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I'm no expert on AMX-13/SM-1 as there are a lot more experts out there and will tell you more than what I know.

Our AMX-13 was 1st delivered in a well know color which is more know to the desert/dry land of our "Mexican" military advisers.  Dr Goh (1st defense minister) got them at a fire sale after our "Mexican" military advisers found out how venerable AMX-13 are to mere 12.7 & 14.5 mm heavy machine guns the hard way!  Dark green was used to repaint our "newly" acquired AMX-13s. No idea when this color was drop till a few test camouflages later we settle for a grey scheme which is way lighter than what is seen on our amour assets now.

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I actually heard that the SM-1s are actually treated as 'Tank Destroyers' since the role of recon tanks are increasingly fulfilled by foot soldiers ^_^

And yeah our Centurions have to be secret... otherwise what would some pple around us think if we have the same thing which whooped their middle east brothers.... :X
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Foltest #46 Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:19 PM

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What Secret, even taxi driver knew about them.

Mibu_No_Ookami #47 Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:20 PM

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I was in one of the last AI battalions to have a SM-1 tank platoon. Never ever saw camo paint on any of them. Half the time they broke down in rough terrain anyway. The tankees were forever sunbathing during exercise.

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View PostYiren, on 15 August 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Cheaper than Gold.  The $1 thing is true.  We bought the A4 Skyhawks at $1 too from US.

By the way, since there are so many real AMX13-75 tankees out there, may I ask a question?

What camo pattern did the SAF actually use on the AMX13?  We only see the solid single-colour very dark green-black during National Day Parade.  On the SAF ads, they may add some branches & leaves (camo net), but don't see any actual camo paint job.  Any insights here?  I try to buy same one in the game.   :blinky:


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As i know, SM1 was used for urban battle.... so it matches the colour of concrete debris like the city map in the game. The tank only camo with half-moon leaves during jungle training, which was not environ friendly.

FYI, modern tanks are hardly camo b'coz there will be reactive armour fixed on the body during actual battle... so camo is only for deco

homingk #49 Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:15 PM

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Camouflage paint works are abandon has to be partly due to the camouflage net and improvised on the spot camouflage by the crews.  AMX-13/SM-1's oscillating hinders the use of reactive armor which when imploded will damage the dictate oscillating turret which is made of aluminum alloy. AMX-13/SM-1 venerable to mere 12.5/14.5mm rounds will be a aluminum alloy coffin especially in urban battle.

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Ariyasak #50 Posted 22 September 2013 - 03:20 PM

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Hmm,kinda interested
Maybe some of it will become a premium... :bajan:

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View Posthomingk, on 22 September 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

Camouflage paint works are abandon has to be partly due to the camouflage net and improvised on the spot camouflage by the crews.  AMX-13/SM-1's oscillating hinders the use of reactive armor which when imploded will damage the dictate oscillating turret which is made of aluminum alloy. AMX-13/SM-1 venerable to mere 12.5/14.5mm rounds will be a aluminum alloy coffin especially in urban battle.

Yes u r right. AMX13 has no reactive armour due to its paper like armour... the tank depends of it mobility and gd gun (only on bunker, APC & ground infantry) to survive.  therefore the tank was only used as infantry support.

However, the centurion was in place so to be the punching force in case our enemy came out with a T62A...  :teethhappy:

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View PostMibu_No_Ookami, on 03 September 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

I was in one of the last AI battalions to have a SM-1 tank platoon. Never ever saw camo paint on any of them. Half the time they broke down in rough terrain anyway. The tankees were forever sunbathing during exercise.

Haha... u r right, the transmission & air suspension system was very bad.  Deigned by local engineers.

Luck they didn't modified the gun, if not the accuracy would be 0.9 rather than 0.36 :-P

homingk #53 Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:43 PM

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The AMX-13 upgrade to SM1 standard by local engineers from DATSA/STK/SAR units without the "assistance" of Mexican, the manufacturer now known as Nexter (former GIAT) of France, other AMX-13 operating countries.  Some of Indonesia's Marine forces AMX-13 were given the SM1 upgrading too.

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View PostYiren, on 15 August 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Cheaper than Gold.  The $1 thing is true.  We bought the A4 Skyhawks at $1 too from US.
A-4 Skyhawks was part of the military assistance "care package" given to Singapore.  For  all  the "service assistance" during the long years of Vietnam war from piecing together dead American bodies to be sent back home to manufacturing ammo down to the smallest 9mm round.  
A-4SU Super Skyhawk program is the only total re-engine to a newer non afterburner variant GE F404 more economical and quieter turbofan which has input from a few Ang Mo from USA. Yes it includes an additional added "plug" section allowing the old A-4's air frame to fit the GE F404.
TA-4SU Super Skyhawk is the only double canopy Skyhawk ever built unlike those sleeker single canopy peers.

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Hi,

When I was training in Area D in 93/94, came to know a lot more of our tanks then. The Tempest was purchased from our "mexican" friends and upgraded to their standards. All 62 (or 60?) were based in ROC for training. I suppose they are still around, hopefully still being maintained.

We also had AMX 10 (tracked) with 90mm, saw them with my own eyes (about a dozen or so). When I asked my colleague then from HQ Armour why we didn't buy more of them, reply was that they were sophisticated to operate, thus requiring a long training period before a crew can become proficient and our 2.5 years NS period too short, only regulars were trained.

Back then the Bionix were being tested (minus turret), saw them going full speed in the rough terrain without slowing down whereas our 113 can only manage 30 to 40kmh in that chewed up terrain. Also saw the bronco being tested then, thought they were Bv206 but bigger.

Oh, there was a lonely T55 or T54 under canvas and a BTR or BMP under canvas there too, likely for study.

The AMX 13/75 was in the process of being upgraded to SM1 standards. Upgrades included a diesel engine (previously petrol), new auto transmission and a lasewr designator (built in). No gun or armour upgrade.

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Most of our Tempest did not came from our "mexican" friends but India who were happy to sell their Centurion tanks as they prefer to use the newer "indigenous" Vijayanta tanks (licensed Vickers mk1) which was in full local production when sale is approved. Our "mexican" friends still have some Centurion tanks hulls converted to Nagmachon APCs, Nakpadon ARVs or Puma CEVs. The only tell tale I can say if our Tempest is around is to check for 105×617 mm R rounds are in storage or not. (105mm is not exclusive for Tempest only as there is some other using those rounds too)
We do have officially 20+ Tempest tanks at ROC/Taiwan but that is all I can say for now.
AMX-13 was upgrade with night & thermal vision add on to the gun firing system to SM1 standard. The laser designation system is not so advanced as it is not coded for other users use the beam.

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Yiren #57 Posted 26 December 2013 - 11:26 PM

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I've updated the list following the launch of the Japanese tech tree, replacing the earlier Chinese Chi-Ha with the Japanese Chi-Ha & adding the Japanese Ha-Go.  The interesting point to note now is that we have our tech tree covering Tier II to IX (except Tier IV to VI).

 

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homingk #58 Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:59 PM

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Universal carrier with Bren gun (GPMG) are used in countering the Japanese Imperial Army attacks unsuccessful in then Malaya's Klang valley. Some are captured and used to invade into Singapore so it can be counted in like a tier 1 Light tank.

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View Posthomingk, on 27 December 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

Universal carrier with Bren gun (GPMG) are used in countering the Japanese Imperial Army attacks unsuccessful in then Malaya's Klang valley. Some are captured and used to invade into Singapore so it can be counted in like a tier 1 Light tank.

 

Good point. :great:   Your comment made me realize that the Universal Carrier is actually in the game as a Tier II British TD.  Although, the ones that operated in Singapore did not mount AT guns (mounting the Bren MG instead, as you noted), but the British did have normal field AT guns at that time, so it is not too far a stretch to combine these two weapons (the UC + the AT gun) into a single system.  I've added that to the list. 

 

 

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Modification of the Universal Carrier should not be a problem but how many are converted  from the "original" weaponry of the bren gun . Singapore used to make vehicles like Ford, Morris and Leyland here, does helps a lot in this process. The only Universal Carrier version I like is armed with a flame-thrower but no records show this being field in the fight.

 

 


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