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Lorenzo_Ruiz #21 Posted 01 May 2014 - 02:44 PM

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TS is inferior, you just need to give all those radios you have some power and you can really connect and greet people again.

 

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Whatistheshootyend #22 Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:16 AM

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There's an excellent book on the subject, at least from the US perspective, called "Death Traps: the survival of an American armoured division in world war two" by Belton Cooper.  He was in the recovery unit for the 3rd Armoured Div, they recovered/resupplied the division daily with replacement vehicles and kept the division up to full strength (as close as possible). 



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View PostJimP66, on 19 August 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

There's an excellent book

 

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karl0ssus1 #24 Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:46 AM

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View PostStormtroop3r, on 19 August 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

 

About that...

I suspect the parts about the actual tank recovery process are probably pretty good. Where he falls down is the parts about the Sherman catching fire if you look at it the wrong way.


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Whatistheshootyend #25 Posted 19 August 2014 - 12:50 PM

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View Postkarl0ssus1, on 19 August 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

I suspect the parts about the actual tank recovery process are probably pretty good. Where he falls down is the parts about the Sherman catching fire if you look at it the wrong way.


Yes,he was anti Sherman (would the process have been as smooth if there was a preponderance of Pershings?), but as you say the parts of the book most interesting were the recovery systems the US Army had in place, far superior to other combatants IMO.  



Gling24 #26 Posted 07 January 2015 - 10:01 AM

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There are quite a few instances in Tigers in the Mud by Otto Carius when they're towing a disabled Tiger because shrapnel damaged the radiator, etc. Fascinating book.


john_mitch_1 #27 Posted 26 February 2020 - 09:53 PM

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View Post_WMD_, on 28 April 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

Firstly let me address Russians.
The T34s held ready ammo inside the turret ring, when the Germans penetrated the turret the results were that the ammunition exploded was fatal for the tank crews. Of course the Russians had carefully analyse this and realized the flew in there tank design. However rather then implementing individual shell shields, moving shells into the hull, spacing the ammo, the Russian felt that it was not worth the extra cost and would slow down the rate of fire. Thus Russians tank crews continued to paid a heavy price in lives. Not only that but Stalin held back the improvements to tanks in order to keep production numbers high.
Russian tank units had very minimal recovery, support and logistic for servicing and recovering tanks. Compared with the Germans whom had excellent recovery equipment (and the Germans needed it given the less reliable tiger and panther tanks). Russian tank corp equivalent of division had no specialist recovery or towing tanks. I think they had some old T-70s and a few trucks.
Generally who ever-won the engagement / battle would control the battlefield which enabled tank recovery, When the Germans lost they too abandoned working tanks, and recoverable tanks.

The Americans of course had massive fire power and they used it to deal with German Tigers. And why not, tankers would call M7 to lay down 155mm fire on Tiger hoping to crack open the weak welds and kill the crew inside. Remove any cover, camo, force the crew to button up, destroy optics, radios. Force the Tiger from its superior position before engaging.
 

 

 

 

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wasaabi #28 Posted 26 February 2020 - 10:23 PM

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