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havoky #81 Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:17 PM

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okay 1st question, which clan would use prem's againt TAW? top clans vs top clans i can understand but why would anybody use prems otherwise

 

secondly. i hate people who cry, if ur bad, come to the forums and ask for advice, what should we do, why are we not able to win, or do better. 

 

lastly, dont give up. so what if you are losing some credits, keep playing, try to learn from every match. you'll see the improvement yourself.

 

focus on your own game rather than calling a whole mode unbiased. 


                                                                    

 

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Splattimus #82 Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:26 PM

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I just don't...

 

I can safely say, without a shadow of a doubt, that I, do not, and have not run Gold rounds in a KV-1S in a Tier 6 limited environment. Because I'd like someone to point out which Tier 6 tank I'd need more than 175mm of average penetration to deal with assuming I'm using basic aiming skills.

 

Next, 160mm of Pen, you can't pen the front of a KV-1S? You're in a Hellcat. If you DO have trouble pening the front of KV-1S's... Zip around to their sides... I mean really...

 

Premium Tier 6 Tanks? Lolwhut? Dickermax, SU 100Y, Pz IV Schmalturm, Pz V/IV, TOG II? None of which are known for their "Armour"...

 

My Current problems with Tier 6 Strongholds? I'm bored of seeing KV-1S's...


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MagicalFlyingFox #83 Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:30 PM

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Only viable t6 prem imo is the Type/old hellcat with 76mm gun.


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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.


karl0ssus1 #84 Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:32 PM

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View PostMagicalFlyingFox, on 10 August 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

Only viable t6 prem imo is the Type/old hellcat with 76mm gun.

That thing is actually pretty good. Marlow carries us scrubs with it all the time


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Brotherlon3 #85 Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:22 PM

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what?

ikitteh2k13 #86 Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:25 PM

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There is gold in stronghold battles but it is less than clan wars. It is rare to run into entire team running full premium loadout like clan wars. Personally I just drive the 112 in tier 8 strongholds, its basically tier 8 gold proof on its only armored parts (turret+UFG). It does not matter if they are shooting AP or APCR at 112, if they hit side or lower glacis they pen if not they dont. On tier 6s I run the T21 and Su-100Y, they have no armor to speak off in first place.

 

 

 

 



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View PostCantoris, on 10 August 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Aw can't pad my +1s...


+1ed you for Adzu



Retia #88 Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:29 PM

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There is only one viable reaction to the OP...

 

 

This seriously makes me want to join a random clan and troll casual clans that

a) Attempt competitive gameplay

b) Don't lift a single brain muscle to prepare

c) Cry about losing

 

Atleast Nauf wouldn't whine about losing after signing NJG1 randomly up for CW... ... not till I hammered down on him for

signing a casual clan up for a CW battle and wasting everybody's time.

 

It's called competitive for a reason... and that reason is not to grab free stuff for 0 effort.

 

For the OP I have a common german proverb:

"Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof"

 

I'll let you google what that means...


 

 

Playing without Mods would be boring.

 

 


Tank_Killerz #89 Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:35 PM

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Damn it Retia. You made me forsake my bowl of cherries.

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View PostDeath2846, on 10 August 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

Vision control, so that you know when they're going to rush. Once the problem has been identified you can easily adjust your team's positioning (with TeamSpeak) and deal with the problem quickly.

If it's a map where this doesn't work, you can also get your fast tanks to do a quick cap.

 

Exactly.

Two of our Cromwells took out 3 enemy KV-1s today in skirmish precisely because they didn't know much about vision mechanics.

Without losing a single HP.

Using standard ammo at that.

Everything has a weakness.

I for one would feel very vulnerable in a team entirely of KV-1s.  Depends on the map too.

 

To the OP, your clan members really just need to learn more about the game and improve I think.

Some of the people here who aren't trolling you are actually trying to help.

 

Ours is not a large clan.  We only have 70+ members.  We probably lose more skirmishes than we win, but we win enough to find it worthwhile and enjoyable.  We've even occasionally beaten some of the big name clans.

We use hardly any gold ammo.  Some matches we've won win with hardly a shot fired.

Some of our callers like lots of heavies.  Personally I never want more than 3.

If you think people are "paying to win", then you're never going to identify the real issues.

 

 

There are some things in Strongholds that should be fixed, but these are not the reason for your lack of success.

 

Here's a hint.

It might help you to throw a couple of tanks in with high innate camo, camo skilled crew and good View Range, to give your heavies some "eyes".

And tell your spotters not to open fire at the first thing they see.

Hellcats, Cromwells and VK28.01 all work.  There are more.  I don't pretend to know them all.

I would avoid slow tanks entirely, unless you are planning a substantially defensive battle.

But a lot of skirmishes are won by capping out the enemy...


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Many land holding clans seem to have surprisingly bad Stronghold win rates, while others did incredibly well. What could be the reason for this ?



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View Postikitteh2k13, on 10 August 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

There is gold in stronghold battles but it is less than clan wars. It is rare to run into entire team running full premium loadout like clan wars. Personally I just drive the 112 in tier 8 strongholds, its basically tier 8 gold proof on its only armored parts (turret+UFG). It does not matter if they are shooting AP or APCR at 112, if they hit side or lower glacis they pen if not they dont. On tier 6s I run the T21 and Su-100Y, they have no armor to speak off in first place.

 

 

 

 

112 is cheeeese to is-6


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View Postikitteh2k13, on 10 August 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

Many land holding clans seem to have surprisingly bad Stronghold win rates, while others did incredibly well. What could be the reason for this ?

cos we be grinding credit duh. no stats credit grind yolo


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View Postikitteh2k13, on 11 August 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

Many land holding clans seem to have surprisingly bad Stronghold win rates, while others did incredibly well. What could be the reason for this ?

 

Give some examples.



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View PostStormtroop3r, on 10 August 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

 

Give some examples.

 

Not as if you don't play CW...

 

Notice where we are now on the map?



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Please don't discourage OP from playing stronkholds games we needz their resources. 
 

 


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Show them no mercy, whenever we see this clan in strongholds we will use our invisitanks & our gold rounds

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View Posttimwahoo, on 11 August 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Show them no mercy, whenever we see this clan in strongholds we will use our invisitanks & our gold rounds

 

gasp!

I thought we didn't discuss the secret premium invisitanks on the forums...



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Tier 6 = no gold required (maybe i am guilty of alittle gold spam in my cromwell, but not much......)

Tier 8 = some gold certainly but maybe 50:50

tier 10 = all gold (but why bother when tier 6 gives as much resources, cheaper on the credit bank, faster, good 'team' training anyhow....)

 

Lets you run some less common tanks as well which is fun with the meds/lights which esp with the lights are almost OP in the restricted tiering environment here....)



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View PostTimberWolffe, on 10 August 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

First off, Ill start by saying that if you actually have success in strongholds then you are extremely lucky, and should buy a lottery ticket immediately. Now then, to the rest of the post.

 

TAW is a relatively large clan, and we want to be able to have something nice for the players like credit boosts and experience boosts in the strongholds. Only problem with that is that strongholds show just how wide the gap is between premium and non-premium accounts. With our most experienced members and a large degree of confidence, we started up a detachment and charged into battle...only to be absolutely decimated by the strongest of tier 6 premium tanks using gold rounds, purchased crews and the best equipment you can buy. Not only that, but after we as an entire team only managed to get 2 kills out of all 4 battles we participated in, we were all losing roughly 10,000 credits per battle. Some lost even more from spending credits on gold rounds, only to bounce off the armor of some of the tanks we faced.

 

Now, some of you will be reading this and thinking "Ha, what an ass, complaining about not being good at a game." And I can see why you would think that, but when we tried we had players with a 75% overall WN8 and 10k battles who couldn't get a hit in. The game mode needs balancing, whether through more credits in battle or a larger industrial resource pool, or even disallowing certain tanks because of their high armor, alpha and DPM.

Non-Trolling ; 

1) Charged into battle.. Without planning?

2) 2 kills/ 4battles? You people need to communicate. Focus fire , take out one at a time. (1 less gun from the enemy firing back)

3) -10k/battle? What? I only get that when i die uselessly in my Chaffee on a loss.

4) Bounce off armor? Happens. It is all Luck™

 


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