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LegendarySpecies #21 Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:06 AM

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View PostZynth, on 23 August 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

Suggesting the VK 28.01 light tank. Noteworthy is that it is the only tier 6 light tank with a 105mm howitzer. The 105mm is able to deal serious damage to most of the tier 6 staple tanks. It eats Hellcats and Cromwells up. Against a KV-1S, HEAT is more than adequate. The 105mm combined with good speed and view range makes it an excellent combat scout. When taking on an enemy scout, a derp followed by a ram usuay finishes off a full health light.

 

I beg to differ on the 59-16. I think the 59-16 is an excellent tank for strongholds where tanks are restricted to tier 6. Use he autoloader, normwlly the pent isn't enough but in a meta dominated by Hellcats and Cromwells, low pent doesn't really matter. Autoloader has good burst damage and very good reload. If there is a need to take down a KV-1S without getting on the rear, APCR works. Not to mention the gun is mounted on a chassis that boasts good speed and agility and good view range.

The VK 28.01 is really close to making it up there, but the derp just isn't strong enough. If the battles were less Heavy based, the VK would be a great option, but right now, its much safer to go with the Type 64, Chaffee or 12t. And with the 59-16, it's just a matter of being outclassed by others - the autoloader is nothing compared to the 12t, Chaffee's view range is much better, Type 64 is more mobile... and I'm not sure about the meta being dominated by Hellcats and Cromwell's, but I think Cromwell's will get an increase in use when the KV-1S and Hellcat get nerfed, so the current standard meta of 2 Hellcats, 4 KV-1S and 1 Type 64/Chaffee is bound to change.



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59-16's autoloader outclasses the AMX 12t. AMX 12t has greater penetration than the 59-16 and can harm heavies. But in terms of gun handling, reload and refire, 59-16 wins. Comparing a 15-20 second reload to an 8 second one, the 59-16 wins. Not to mention it is the most agile out of the tier 6 scouts. In terms of view range, 10m isn't much of a difference.

 

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View PostZynth, on 23 August 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

59-16's autoloader outclasses the AMX 12t. AMX 12t has greater penetration than the 59-16 and can harm heavies. But in terms of gun handling, reload and refire, 59-16 wins. Comparing a 15-20 second reload to an 8 second one, the 59-16 wins. Not to mention it is the most agile out of the tier 6 scouts. In terms of view range, 10m isn't much of a difference.

59-16 is probally the best anti-scout, and works wonders against low-armored opponents like other scouts and Hellcats, Nashorns ect. But in the current meta of the game, you will find at least 3-4 heavies on a team, which the 59-16 wont be able to do much to. The 12t's reload is live-able, by the time you fire off your last shot, get out of there and turn around, you usually only have a few seconds left on the reload.

 

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Just checked, also, the Chaffee has the same damage output with more pen on a pew-pew gun, and same thing with the Type 64. The Chaffee also has 20m more base view range, add on optics + binocs and whatever crew skills you have on it and it has a magic bubble that will scout things even behind bushes.


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For the LT part, I definitely agree with the Chaffee/Type 64, although I might consider the ELC AMX to be a worthy contender for the scouting position as well. Punchy gun, great speed/ agility, trollish profile. Not a bad tank overall.

 

Tier 6 stronghold is pretty much like medium TC isnt it? So whatever works well for you in Med TCs should work well for this as well


 

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View PostHackler, on 23 August 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

For the LT part, I definitely agree with the Chaffee/Type 64, although I might consider the ELC AMX to be a worthy contender for the scouting position as well. Punchy gun, great speed/ agility, trollish profile. Not a bad tank overall.

 

Tier 6 stronghold is pretty much like medium TC isnt it? So whatever works well for you in Med TCs should work well for this as well

Roughly, yes. You just need to know what tactics your are likely to use and make sure your tanks follow suit. ELC isn't worthy of the T6 Stronghold, all the tier 6 scouts and the Chaffee outclass it.



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Medium TC doesn't allow tier 5-6 LT, for balance.


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View Postcammaman, on 23 August 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

Yay were getting guides to competitive gaming tank selection by reds now! Woohoo

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no love for VK28.01? excellent view range and a good ramming tank coupled with deadly howitzer. Hellcat's nightmare fuel.

 

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View PostIJN_Shimakaze, on 23 August 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

no love for VK28.01? excellent view range and a good ramming tank coupled with deadly howitzer. Hellcat's nightmare fuel.

Yeah, I think I'll have to put that in now lol. I think that untill more soft targets for the VK28.01 to derp and ram, this thing wont be used as much as the Chaffee/Type 64/AMX 12T

 

 

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4) VK 28.01

This tank features a mean derp gun, combined with great speed and.. ramming capabilities! The 105mm derp gun can crush Hellcats and Chi-To's, while being able to decimate Hellcats by derping them and then ramming with your 27 tonne tank going at 68 km/h... not pretty. While not originally on my list, it was  simply because the current meta doesn't feature enough soft tanks like the Hellcat, Chi-To, Nashorn ect. Although I do suspect that the side of an ARL 44 wont be too happy if the derp gets into its side or rear. For battle calling, I'd recommend you use this as an active scout, that can demolish lightly armored tanks quickly and then get out before the enemy knows whats happening, while also boasting an impressive 390m base view range.

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"It is the only tier 6 light tank with a 105mm howitzer. The 105mm is able to deal serious damage to most of the tier 6 staple tanks. It eats Hellcats and Cromwells up. Against a KV-1S, HEAT is more than adequate. The 105mm combined with good speed and view range makes it an excellent combat scout. When taking on an enemy scout, a derp followed by a ram usuay finishes off a full health light."


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View PostLegendaryTurtle, on 23 August 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

 

 

 

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View Post__Minion__, on 23 August 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

My bad. Would a gift of "calamari" suffice as an apology?

 

Lol ok, I'll take it :tongue:



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View PostIJN_Shimakaze, on 23 August 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

no love for VK28.01? excellent view range and a good ramming tank coupled with deadly howitzer. Hellcat's nightmare fuel.

 

The howitzer only does full damage if it doesn't hit the track, the mantlet or the sloped front armor if the Hellcat is angled

 

This combined with awful accuracy means doing full damage is luck


Edited by Bluefunk, 23 August 2014 - 12:41 PM.


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View PostBluefunk, on 23 August 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

If the Cromwell moves at the same speed as the E8 (i.e. half the Cromwell's maximum speed) which tank has better accuracy?

 

The cromwell goes 94kmh? Wow, who knew?

 

View PostLegendarySpecies, on 23 August 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

Storm, added in that bit about the E8 - I've never used it and was going mostly on my own personal knowledge.

 

You might want to add that it also has access to a vert stab which is a significant advantage over other mediums and has very good mobility (acceleration and turning) only hindered by a a low-ish top speed.

 

View PostBluefunk, on 23 August 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

 sloped front armor if the Hellcat is angled

 

13mm won't stop HE at any reasonable angle.

 


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Wheres the ELC :trollface:

 

Its legit mang

 

And fun too :teethhappy:

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View PostIJN_Shimakaze, on 23 August 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

no love for VK28.01? excellent view range and a good ramming tank coupled with deadly howitzer. Hellcat's nightmare fuel.

hohohohohohohoho, someone likes VK here


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View PostBluefunk, on 23 August 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

 

If the Cromwell moves at the same speed as the E8 (i.e. half the Cromwell's maximum speed) which tank has better accuracy?

 

View PostStormtroop3r, on 23 August 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

 

The cromwell goes 94kmh? Wow, who knew?

 

 

You might want to add that it also has access to a vert stab which is a significant advantage over other mediums and has very good mobility (acceleration and turning) only hindered by a a low-ish top speed.

 

E8 gun has .4 accuracy v .36 for Cromwell but as you say the E8 can run a VStab for +20%. The thing is for me at least the Crommie is one of my favourite tanks so I have 2-3 skills including smooth ride and snapshot whereas my E8 crews always move up  to the T20. Under ideal conditions the E8 may have a slight advantage, how much real difference it makes I don't know.

 

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What about M4A3E2? Keep the original turret (and have turret armour up there with a T32). The double armour you keep is worth it despite not getting top gun. Angle that sloped frontal armour right and be crazy bouncy.

 

KV1S the most fun heavy but M6 is my most favourite. But I find most pubbies just drive it so bad. Can and should be a highly effective heavy, But the fact that it's so underrated definitely helps in battles too.



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View Posttopshelf, on 23 August 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

What about M4A3E2? Keep the original turret (and have turret armour up there with a T32). The double armour you keep is worth it despite not getting top gun. Angle that sloped frontal armour right and be crazy bouncy.

 

KV1S the most fun heavy but M6 is my most favourite. But I find most pubbies just drive it so bad. Can and should be a highly effective heavy, But the fact that it's so underrated definitely helps in battles too.

 

Because, besides the Americans with their 128mm penetration, most tier 6 tanks have penetrations in the 150-175mm range, and E2 frontal armor is only reliable up to ~170mm, while sacrificing lots of gun performance by mounting the stock turret and the A1 gun, and the enemies still can pen your front with gold and your side without.

 

Even for pub, I run my E2 with upgraded turret.



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View Posttopshelf, on 23 August 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

What about M4A3E2? .... Angle that sloped frontal armour right and be crazy bouncy.

 

Yup. Am learning to really dislike the Jumbo :trollface:

 


 

 

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What's the reload on the Cromwell ? 

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