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_Storm #1 Posted 06 November 2014 - 09:28 AM

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As far as I am aware the 13 90 is currently the only non TD/SPG tier 8 without access to a vertical stabiliser, while it may be have been a necessity once for balance reasons the changing meta and the introduction of new lights (specifically the M41) have made the lack of a vertical stabiliser very outdated. The M41 for example can use an autoloader but doesn't sacrifice a vertical stabiliser for it so I'm not sure why the 13 90 still doesn't get one. 

 

While the 13 90 is still a good tank (even despite the current meta) and it's not in dire need of a buff it would make sense to change what seems like a pointless exclusion.



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Vert Stabs can be mounted on TD's and SPG's?

I didn't think that was the case. I thought that only gun laying drives could be used on them.

Also US tanks get Vert Stabs earlier in the tech tree because it is a US invention.



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It's still competitive without the vertstab and will always have it's place due to the autoloader. I'm not disagreeing with what your saying, but its not as if it has become redundant. What needs buffing is the poor WZ 132. Typical victim of power creep as all the new T8 lights do things better or are unique in some way. 

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I think you may have misread Storms post Sabre.

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View PostRainbow_Cat, on 06 November 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

It's still competitive without the vertstab and will always have it's place due to the autoloader. I'm not disagreeing with what your saying, but its not as if it has become redundant. What needs buffing is the poor WZ 132. Typical victim of power creep as all the new T8 lights do things better or are unique in some way. 

 

I didn't say it's not good anymore, I said it seems absurd that it doesn't have one when every other tier 8 light/medium/heavy gets one.

 

Feel free to make a "buff the WZ" thread though, could definitely make strong case for that.

 

 

 

 

 



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I think there are actually problems with stabilization in an oscillating turret. Of course WG has allowed V-Stabs for AMX 50 series and the 40t and 25t so make of that what you will.

 

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View PostDanLBob, on 06 November 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

I think there are actually problems with stabilization in an oscillating turret. Of course WG has allowed V-Stabs for AMX 50 series and the 40t and 25t so make of that what you will.

 

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View PostStormtroop3r, on 06 November 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

I didn't say it's not good anymore, I said it seems absurd that it doesn't have one when every other tier 8 light/medium/heavy gets one.

 

Feel free to make a "buff the WZ" thread though, could definitely make strong case for that.

 

Most certainly, The Chinese Lights are certainly underpowered. Almost pointless in competitive point of view.



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View PostStormtroop3r, on 06 November 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

 

 

Guess they could have excluded vertstab on the tank for balance issues. It's already good why make it better kind of thing. Sort of how they limit the Batchat to only holding 6 clips.

That's just a weird theory of mine though.


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As a 13 90 driver, I agree on this matter.

Edited by Haku, 06 November 2014 - 10:30 AM.

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I do find that the arrival of the new T8 lights, esp the T49, means you cannot afford to stop and consequently I will miss at least or two from a clip. Guess I need to start using autoaim.

 

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View PostRainbow_Cat, on 06 November 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

Guess they could have excluded vertstab on the tank for balance issues. It's already good why make it better kind of thing. Sort of how they limit the Batchat to only holding 6 clips.

That's just a weird theory of mine though.

 

I'm pretty sure that is why it doesn't have one, but the game has changed a lot since the 13 90 was turned into a tier 8 light, it doesn't really make sense anymore.

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Strange that it doesn't have it while every other light, med & heavy on the tier does. 

 

It's either an oversight or a balancing issue.

 



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I'll put it out there, it would be awesome if it had it, but i don't think it needs it for pure balance.

 

Incidentally, does anyone know of a site that presents win rates of the various tanks? I used to use noobmeter but it doesn't seem to have updated recently.


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View PostEzz, on 06 November 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

I'll put it out there, it would be awesome if it had it, but i don't think it needs it for pure balance.

 

Incidentally, does anyone know of a site that presents win rates of the various tanks? I used to use noobmeter but it doesn't seem to have updated recently.

 

Try vBaddict or Wotlabs.


 


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View PostEzz, on 06 November 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

Incidentally, does anyone know of a site that presents win rates of the various tanks? I used to use noobmeter but it doesn't seem to have updated recently.

Try wot-news.com.



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View PostStormtroop3r, on 06 November 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Try wot-news.com.

 

Bit of a gold mine.

 

Seems to suggest the 132 is the main outlier, with the 13 90 on par with the 54L. That being said the 54L got a camo buff so that situation may change as well.


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Yea so unfair. Other tanks got 90mm autoloader 

 

Oh wait sorry I meant vert stab


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View PostBluefunk, on 06 November 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Yea so unfair. Other tanks got 90mm autoloader 

 

Oh wait sorry I meant vert stab

 

Why don't you remove the 50 100's vert stab then?



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I wish they would give it a Vstab but I don't think it is going to happen.

T71 and M41 damage per shot is low compared to 1390 and other tanks don't have autoloader.

I think it is still quite competitive.


 

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