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_Storm #1 Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:48 PM

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I know I quit the forums a while back, but honestly, this campaign is so flawed, both in concept and in practice, that I felt compelled to write yet another rant about WG's failures.

 

1. A "reward" that costs $50 USD - who's bright idea was this? Campaigns aren't "fun" per se, people don't participate because they enjoy them any more than usual cw, indeed, the stress associated with fame points and the inter-clam rivalry they promote (who gets picked and who doesn't) often makes them very frustrating, they participate for a chance at a free tank and a bit of gold on the side too, however, the "reward" for all this is to spend $50 of gold on an inferior IS-3? Why would WG even think that a "win2pay" system is a remotely good idea? Are they not already drowning in money which would allow them to give away free tanks to those who have spent more time (and often money too) than most other demographics that play this game? A "reward" that you have to pay $50 USD for isn't a reward at all, it's a terrible idea and shouldn't be repeated. What should have happened is all of the tanks should be free, with a reduced overall number like past campaigns, instead of the blatant cashgrab that WG opted to go for when they declared that most of the reward tanks would only be attainable with a sizeable amount of gold.

 

2. The license system and fame points - It has already been well established that fame points are a bad system, due to their limited ability to get everyone who was active a tank, as well as the fiction they generate between clam members, however, fame points used in conjunction with the license system is an even worse system, now not only are the officers forced to choose who gets the tank and who doesn't, assuming they get into the top 16 clams they are also forced to choose who gets a tank for free, and who has to pony up to WG, the only thing that the system used in this campaign added was the number of headaches officer's had to deal with. Either system by itself is acceptable, if not preferable, however, using the two in conjunction is awful, and should never be repeated

 

3. A fame points system where RNG plays an important role - Basically, luck of the draw had far more of an effect on a clam's ability to succeed in its goals, unless the clam in question was one of the top clams in the server whether or not you were able to complete your clam mission was often decided by RNG, essentially by who else it chose to give target provinces to, this resulted in some terrible clams achieving theirs, while decent clams got stuffed with top clams competing for their targets, this was a problem affecting NA & EU too, so represents a failure in WG's ability to write decent rules. Furthermore, RNG dictated where you would land in New Swabia, where some LZs could chip onto two reactors, others only one, and that's before mentioning that as a result of RNG your ability to successfully land (you don't get any choice who you fight, because evidently choosing where to chip is too much effort an should be simplified in accordance with WG's approach to the rest of the game, where simple = better).

 

4. And where timezones ultimately dictated the winner - Let's play a game of spot the difference shall we?

 

Late timezone:

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Seems fairly normal, a reasonably high number of mostly top clams all vying for control of the land, this part seems normal for a campaign.

 

Middle timezone

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Not quite so many clams on this part of the map, but still for the most part very competent, again, this is more or less what is to be expected.

 

Early timezone

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...Why is this even a thing? Contested by essentially three clams (VP had a very minimal presence) for almost the entirety of the campaign on this part of the map, there was essentially no competition at all, with only CHE being a clam that could be defined as good, so VN-F, -AOW- and VP, three clams who would all best be described as "incredibly mediocre in the best of circumstances" essentially had incredibly easy access to fame points which they didn't even have to fight for, -AOW- has a huge 22 members in the top 1600, which is hilarious considering they are apparently #3 according to WG's rules, in short, the winners of this campaign were almost entirely dictated by timezone, what astounds me is WG didn't manage to foresee this, even though they had already made this mistake before, with the clan wars map that was introduced after campaign 2, where there was far too much land in the East, which allowed scrub clams who shouldn't even be on the map to get decent amounts of gold. GG WG, next time put some efforts into working out the demographics please, instead of copy pasting and hoping it turns out for the best.

 

5. It's nice to see that tan has already gotten around to making a thread congratulating this campaign's winners, but I for one am still waiting for the forum and portal announcement to declare that DPS won campaign 3, even in the face of VPA and their subclam's best efforts. Or am I incorrect, and C3 never happened/DPS didn't actually win/DPS haxxed their way to victory?

 

In summary, Armageddon was an objective failure, WG once again displayed it cannot into CW, and I really hope whoever though of charging money for a reward tank gets an educational trip to a Siberian Gulag.

 

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Thread title edited as per OP's request.

 

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Edited by neokai, 19 June 2015 - 03:56 PM.


xNewbTamerx #2 Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:55 PM

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Well said Stormtroop3r, agree with all 5 points!

thommo_nz #3 Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:59 PM

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JimmyJim #4 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:12 PM

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That early timezone is probably the funniest of all. VN-F is basically farming all the fame point and gold LOL...........................

I "gato" them LOL.................

I bet they earn enough gold to even reward some members with FREE IS-6 if they did not get the IS-5 :trollface:



Nishizumi_Miho_SG #5 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:15 PM

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I can still remember the early days (When PANZA was a thing), east coast provinces were 4PM (or 5PM) server time. And all the cries of "WG ignoring the geographic that has the most players and is their highest source of revenue blah blah our own server please"

 

Where did all those players go?



Splattimus #6 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:18 PM

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View PostNishizumi_Miho_SG, on 19 June 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

Where did all those players go?

 

To work...

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I don't believe we should kill all the stupid people. Just remove some of the warning signs and let nature take its course...


ForkUrEyes #7 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:31 PM

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That's why I didn't even play even a single cw battle in this campaign. Have to pay for your price? lol

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Tanitha #8 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:38 PM

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View PostForkUrEyes, on 19 June 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

That's why I didn't even play even a single cw battle in this campaign. Have to pay for your price? lol

 

No.

 

Tanks are awarded free to active players (top 1600 personal fame) in the winning clans.

 

Awarding all players in a winning clan doesn't work, inactives shouldn't get award tanks, and clan positions shouldn't be sold.

Awards shouldn't be based on personal fame, as its a clan based event.

 

Some players who had a high personal fame, but were in clans that did not win. Can buy the tank if they wish.

 

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View Post_xXx_Rinzler_o7o7o7_xXx_, on 19 June 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

Remember guys, this game isn't pay2win. It's win2pay!

 

Holy... this is holy... WG just create another type of gaming system or genre.... this is so original.... comparing to when there is WOT 0.6-0.7 happened.

 

Nice that I have 0 CW match... too many busy doing and playing other things.

 

View PostTanitha, on 19 June 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

No.

 

Tanks are awarded free to active players (top 1600 personal fame) in the winning clans.

 

Awarding all players in a winning clan doesn't work, inactives shouldn't get award tanks, and clan positions shouldn't be sold.

This is true.

Awards shouldn't be based on personal fame, as its a clan based event.

This is true, but they should also get reward the deserve by that much of participating.

 

Some players who had a high personal fame, but were in clans that did not win. Can buy the tank if they wish. should get the reward tank they deserve to have without paying to get it. <-- that's the point.

 

/Tan


Edited by BlackPaw, 19 June 2015 - 02:54 PM.


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View Post_xXx_Rinzler_o7o7o7_xXx_, on 19 June 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

Remember guys, this game isn't pay2win. It's win2pay!

 

And a new genre of gaming was founded among this train wreck. Much +1 :teethhappy:



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If you are rank 1 , you can post to this topic ? The campaign, really is a failure to you : Mặt troll:

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neokai #13 Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:55 PM

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Storm,

Call me picky, but it's intra, not inter-clam.

 

Beyond that, I agree with all points except the last bit about DPS not announced as winners of C3. Deathskyz is already checking in with Tan about that in another thread.


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Well written storm

I admire you taking the effort to type it all up! 

 

I think most of us just shrug our shoulders and think nothing new, nothing to see.

 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
 

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View PostBao_Sa_Mac, on 19 June 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

 
If you are rank 1 , you can post to this topic ? The campaign, really is a failure to you : Mặt troll:

 

 

Fame points have always been an issue, and the issue about 1/2 of the tank winners having to purchase their tank is the equivalent of Germany buying the World Cup last year after winning. I doubt you would be so smug if VPA was in the bottom 10 and had to buy a CW tank.



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View PostCounterflak, on 19 June 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

 

Fame points have always been an issue, and the issue about 1/2 of the tank winners having to purchase their tank is the equivalent of Germany buying the World Cup last year after winning. I doubt you would be so smug if VPA was in the bottom 10 and had to buy a CW tank.

 

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View Post_xXx_Rinzler_o7o7o7_xXx_, on 19 June 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

Remember guys, this game isn't pay2win. It's win2pay!

 

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This just makes the us-vs-them mindset of this server worse. The best way to stop 'riggings' like these is to get some riggers on our side as well.

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View PostTanitha, on 19 June 2015 - 06:38 AM, said:

 

No.

 

Tanks are awarded free to active players (top 1600 personal fame) in the winning clans.

 

Awarding all players in a winning clan doesn't work, inactives shouldn't get award tanks, and clan positions shouldn't be sold.

Awards shouldn't be based on personal fame, as its a clan based event.

 

Some players who had a high personal fame, but were in clans that did not win. Can buy the tank if they wish.

 

/Tan

 

the price is simply too high. either the tank is good enough to be worthy. 12000 for most people is not a small amount.

 

Half the price may ease they anger of the 'Pro Players'.

 

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2 VPA 90
3 AOW 22
4 PZSRL 38
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