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AHB_Centurion #1 Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:22 PM

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With the pending opening of the new Global Map, the CRD section of the forums will return.

 

After discussion with Tanitha it has been decided to engage the community on what they feel should be allowed in this new forum. 

 

The previous rules were:  

 

Clan Rivalry / Diplomacy
The current rules for the "Clan Rivalry / Diplomacy" section are as follows.


* This section contains the threads made by players for general clan rivalry and diplomacy. Since the purpose of this section revolves around clan rivalry, moderation will be lighter in this section due to clan rivalry belonging in this section.
* Normal forum rules such as sanctions on insults, inappropriate language, naming and shaming players, etc,, will be enforced within this section, however friendly clan ribbing and clan rivalry is permitted within this section to some extent.

* Racism/Nationalism or any other form of derogatory references, are not tolerated.
* Any clan rivalry outside of this section, will be deemed as off-topic and shall be sanctioned.

* In addition the normal Forum Rules will be referred to

 

I have offered to gather the feedback from Clan Commanders and Senior officers and then submit a revised set of rules for posting in Clan Rivalry & Diplomacy. As not all clans are in the CoAF Skype channel I feel that this is a fairer way to gather suggestions and ideas. With the emergence of Strongholds as an integral step towards fighting on the map this area of the game should/could also be included

 

If you have any ideas but are reluctant to post them in an open forum then feel free to PM me using the link in my signature.

 

I have to place an end date in this so all suggestions should be submitted by 2400 on Wednesday 1st July Server time.


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AHB_Centurion #2 Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:38 PM

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Clan Rivalry: 

 

  • Declaring war on another clan
  • Trolling of clans, including after battle reports (so long as individuals aren't targetted I don't think the team needs to be censored?)
  • Discussing the tactics (or lack of) used by a clan in battle

 

Clan Diplomacy: 

 

  • Creating an alliance with another clan
  • Dissolving an alliance with another clan
  • Declaring an alliance with other clans
  • Requesting an alliance

 

Clan Public Battles: 

 

Conduct of individual clan members or platoons will be included in the CRD section. However for any conduct that is inappropriate you may also consider one of the following options

 

  • By using the ingame report system 
  • Direct via PM to the Clan's diplomat or commander
  • Direct via PM to a Moderator

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AHB_Centurion #3 Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:40 PM

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So in addition to what has been posted above

 

So far I have 

 

  • Dont assume that using the clans country if they use in the tag is racist
  • Dont assume that using your country in the clan tag is nationalistic
  • Engage with posters, for low level or "dubious" content start a PM chat and discuss options
  • PC rules should be relaxed and a warning issued that CRD content may offend
  • No Unicorns, Rainbows, Kittens or chocolate rivers (I think the chocolate rivers have merit though)
  • Identify in the forum thread who the CRD moderators are and make them a point of contact to all
  • If CRD is to be the Utopia of Trolling or the Forum End-Game then the community need to assist in keeping it to Rivalry/Diplomacy nothing else

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AHB_Centurion #4 Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:41 PM

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dead_man_walking #5 Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:02 PM

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IMO I see no need to have separate "relaxed" rules for any section of the forums.

 



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My opinion is the rules should be the same as before but the penalties for over stepping the mark should be harsher! Keeps the forums interesting, good banter etc.  I think the rules were fine before, but people go away with it more so just kept posting away.  Have some rules in place but increase the penalties.  That's my 2 cents Cents

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Deathskyz #7 Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:18 PM

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I'm sorry there is Nationalism going on.

Maybe its because to mention a couple of controversial clans in CR/D you also have to mention their nationality because their nationality is in the clan name.

 

If I call SNTR Singaporean Noobs do I get banned for racism?



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fabiensg #8 Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:53 PM

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CR/D without banter nor witticism would be like reading a book I am not interested in. I close it.

There will always be over the line posts. Just continue to address and moderate them.

Politically correct content is fine for people who have gone sexually inactive. For the others who still have the blood rushing, banter is what makes the read worthwhile.

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NK_ #9 Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:06 PM

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I'm sorry but CR/D AKA "Place of Happy Rainbow Unicorns and Chocolate Rivers" just won't gel.  

 

 

You may get some kids who want to play sandcastles with each other in it, but when it's Clan Wars there needs to be a form of unleashed brutality in the honesty department.  

 

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  •  Good natured trolling of clans, including after battle reports (so long as individuals aren't targetted I don't think the team needs to be censored?)

 

^ Wut. 

 

Hey Jeff, your clan was showing poor form on the field of battle the other night old chap, chin up laddy we all have bad days don't let it get to you hohoho. 

 

I can't imagine even wanting to be a part of that. 

 

 

 

There really is a place needed that you can take the chains off and let us go at it like mongrel dogs.  

You know what, not everyone on this earth needs to get along with each other all the time. Some of the best friendships in have been born from two enemies that have nearly killed each other only two become the best comrades.  

This CR/D would lack any form of human emotion and that's not a good thing.  

 

If that is what you want from it, keep it closed, it's not worth re-opening "land of fairytales".  

 

 


 

 


Cronk #10 Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:09 PM

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View PostDeathskyz, on 29 June 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry there is Nationalism going on.

Maybe its because to mention a couple of controversial clans in CR/D you also have to mention their nationality because their nationality is in the clan name.

 

If I call SNTR Singaporean Noobs do I get banned for racism?

 

I think it depends if you are denigrating the clan or the nation.

 

Clan x are a bunch of cheating rigging [edited] = ok?

 

All players from country x are a bunch of cheating rigging [edited] = bad.

 

Back to the topic at hand, some suggestions.

 

  • Track down Mick42 and ask him for some tips on how to moderate CR/D.
  • Retrain all moderators to the Mick42™ standard of CR/D moderation.
  • Keep the rules essentially the same as they were previously and enforce in a fair and balanced way without double standards. eg anyone can use google translate to post or nobody can.
  • Allow naming and shaming of clans based on individual actions as long as identity of individual is properly concealed, I believe this was the interpretation that was in effect previously.
  • Remove offending posts rather than nuking entire threads unless the thread itself is in violation.
  • Enforce the rules regarding racism/nationalism equally across all language sections, not doing this would in itself be racist.
  • Maintain demarcation between roles, ie moderation of CR/D kept strictly in the hands of moderators and restricted to enforcement of the forum rules only. Other titles like administrators or producers or moderators of other language sections of the community respectfully requested to stay out of CR/D and stick to their respective roles to avoid any perceptions of bias or conflict of interest.

 

May have stepped slightly outside the scope of this thread with some of those suggestions, however they represent some of the concerns I see being repeatedly raised by players.


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fabiensg #11 Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:20 PM

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Make CR/D [PG16] and put a dialog box that requires the reader to acknowledge he/she is 16+ Years old.

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View Postfabiensg, on 29 June 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

Make CR/D [PG16] and put a dialog box that requires the reader to acknowledge he/she is 16+ Years old.

 

ESRB Notice:

 

Forum experience may change when entering CR/D.


Edited by Cronk, 29 June 2015 - 03:27 PM.

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Deathskyz #13 Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:28 PM

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View PostCronk, on 29 June 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

I think it depends if you are denigrating the clan or the nation.

Clan x are a bunch of cheating rigging [edited] = ok?

All players from country x are a bunch of cheating rigging [edited] = bad.

 

Doesnt matter. You still get ROed anyway.

 

Thats where the problem is.

 

How many clans of a particular nation have their nationality in it?

 



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View PostNK_, on 29 June 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm sorry but CR/D AKA "Place of Happy Rainbow Unicorns and Chocolate Rivers" just won't gel.  

 

 

You may get some kids who want to play sandcastles with each other in it, but when it's Clan Wars there needs to be a form of unleashed brutality in the honesty department.  

 

 

^ Wut. 

 

Hey Jeff, your clan was showing poor form on the field of battle the other night old chap, chin up laddy we all have bad days don't let it get to you hohoho. 

 

I can't imagine even wanting to be a part of that. 

 

 

 

There really is a place needed that you can take the chains off and let us go at it like mongrel dogs.  

You know what, not everyone on this earth needs to get along with each other all the time. Some of the best friendships in have been born from two enemies that have nearly killed each other only two become the best comrades.  

This CR/D would lack any form of human emotion and that's not a good thing.  

 

If that is what you want from it, keep it closed, it's not worth re-opening "land of fairytales".  

 

 

 

But but but NK_, 

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View PostDeathskyz, on 29 June 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

Doesnt matter. You still get ROed anyway.

 

Thats where the problem is.

 

How many clans of a particular nation have their nationality in it?

 

And how many have their flag as their logo?


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View Postfabiensg, on 29 June 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Politically correct content is fine for people who have gone sexually inactive. For the others who still have the blood rushing, banter is what makes the read worthwhile.

 

That's certainly a different/colorful way of expressing that point :)

 

View PostHilly, on 29 June 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

My opinion is the rules should be the same as before but the penalties for over stepping the mark should be harsher! Keeps the forums interesting, good banter etc.  I think the rules were fine before, but people go away with it more so just kept posting away.  Have some rules in place but increase the penalties.  That's my 2 cents Cents

 

View PostCronk, on 29 June 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

 

  • Maintain demarcation between roles, ie moderation of CR/D kept strictly in the hands of moderators and restricted to enforcement of the forum rules only. Other titles like administrators or producers or moderators of other language sections of the community respectfully requested to stay out of CR/D and stick to their respective roles to avoid any perceptions of bias or conflict of interest.

 

 

The issues here are,

1. Moderators are players in clans ..

2. New moderators have little experience (obviously)

 

Which leads to..

Clanned moderators have difficulty / usually don't ... moderate their own clan's post, allied clans posts, enemy clans posts .. Or such can be seen as biased.

So these are then left to other neutral moderators.

Which leads to .. "But this moderator left it, then this moderator moderated it"

Sometimes things need referring to senior moderators, and/or staff, this is not "Double standards" which is commonly cried. Its the issue being referred to the appropriate channels for moderation.

 

Which leads to..
New moderators not being permitted to moderate CRD

 

Add 1&2 together, moderation of CRD is often slower, and sometimes missed, due to the lack of experienced moderators that can unbiasedly moderate there. 

 

 

View PostCronk, on 29 June 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

 

ESRB Notice:

 

Forum experience may change when entering CR/D.

 

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View PostZeroPauper, on 29 June 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

And how many have their flag as their logo?

 

Precisely.

 

They want to demonstrate their Nationalism and shove it in their faces and take it as far as to name a clan after a military that committed war crimes.

But say anything about that part and they cry racism.

 

 


Edited by Deathskyz, 29 June 2015 - 03:58 PM.


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View PostZeroPauper, on 29 June 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

And how many have their flag as their logo?

 

VN is fairly unique there.They have been an occupied country for most of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam

And are currently enjoying their non occupation.

 

It is similar with Taiwan, who like to fly the TW flag to show they do not consider themselves part of China, as China would like..

 

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View PostTanitha, on 29 June 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

 

That's certainly a different/colorful way of expressing that point :)

 

 

 

The issues here are,

1. Moderators are players in clans ..

 

 

Which leads to..

Clanned moderators have difficulty / usually don't ... moderate their own clan's post, allied clans posts, enemy clans posts .. Or such can be seen as biased.

So these are then left to other neutral moderators.

Which leads to .. "But this moderator left it, then this moderator moderated it"

2.Sometimes things need referring to senior moderators, and/or staff, this is not "Double standards" which is commonly cried. Its the issue being referred to the appropriate channels for moderation.

 

Which leads to..
New moderators not being permitted to moderate CRD

 

3. moderation of CRD is often slower, and sometimes missed, due to the lack of experienced moderators that can unbiasedly moderate there. 

 

 

 

Lol

1. If you cannot guarantee their unbiased moderation, sack them. Its that simple.

 

2. The fact you get hit twice, instead of waiting for the staff/head honcho to drop the red axe frankly is a bad process.

 

3. I see no problem with this. A little bit of leeway (within reason) would go a long way to creating trust between the players/mods/staff. Instead of getting the book thrown at them for slight infractions, a PM asking to remove the offending post or edit it would be a far more community building friendly exercise then just dropping the red pen on them.


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