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CampingTank #1 Posted 04 March 2016 - 05:23 PM

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So, after grinding in my G1R (that i finally grew to love) for some time, i reached my ARL 44, the mighty French tier 6 barn tank.
To be honest the main thing that made me gravitate towards this old girl was that 90 mm gun with 200 pen.
I mean, 212 pen on a tier 6 regular AP ammo? I practically drooled when i first knew that.

So far, my experience taught me that if a tank looks good on paper, they would have some unwritten terribad disadvantages.
I looked around, and sure enough, many if not most reviews i read about the ARL categorized it as a potato tank.
I even recall a review that put the ARL as the 3rd or 4th worst tank in tier 6, and we're not just talking about the heavies.

 

Some tanks i just really love, but i can't drive it well. Others are in reverse.
Weeeeeeeeeeeell, strangely for me, ARL 44 is the tank that i both love and perform best in, in average.
Seriously, before ARL 44, 1000 damage a match is a lucky shot for me, like 1 in 10 or 20 matches.
In ARL, i got 1000 damage per match in almost 60 - 70 % of them.

Let's talk about the old girl, shall we?

1st: Armor
Front hull is very good as it is very well angled, while the front turret is decent-ish, but it is flat as a pancake, so i wouldn't bet on it.
The rest of the tank have as much armor as the beach goers on a nude beach: birthday suit level of armor, none.
There's a quirk in the armor section of the ARL though: that beautiful leg! (Tracks, i'm talking about tracks!).
Show just a bit of leg, uh, i mean, the jutting part of your tracks around a corner and watch your enemies go crazy, just like real life really.
They will shoot and track you, but they can forgot about dealing damage to you.
Even with HE (not from an SPG though), the damage that reached your hull would usually be so dismal that the enemy would usually try to find another target.
I find this "show a bit of skin" tactic works like a charm to draw the enemies fire to you, so your teammates can pepper those annoying enemy tanks with bullets.
Just remember not to show your leg too much, or you risk the injury of your driver.

2nd: Firepower
ARL 44 have a nice selection of guns: Prefer the pen? Go for the 90. Want a big alpha? Go for the 100. Want a flexible gun? Go for the third gun (the one right after you researched your turret).
For me, i'd hang around with the top 90 gun. Dat 212 pen.
The damage is decent, around 240 per shell.
The pen is epic, 212 with standard ammo, 259 with prem (that's tier 10 level of pen, yo!).
The aim time is bad, but workable at 3.4.
RoF is not bad, about 6 shells per minute.
Reticle bloom is also not bad, unless you have to turn your hull (to be fair, almost all HTs have this problem).
The 90 gun is the reason the ARL can even force even an O-Ho to find cover.

3rd: Mobility
With stock engine and stock tracks, bad, you just have to suffer through it.
With upgraded engine and tracks, the ARL's mobility is workable, not bad at all.
You are fast enough to pop up, aim for a bit, shoot, and scurry back to cover before the enemy have a chance to put a good shot to you.

4th: Misc
View range with the top turret is 350 ish, not bad for a tier 6 heavy.
Radio, upgraded is 700 or 750, i forgot, good for a tier 6.
Terrain resistance, haven't checked the number but even when i have to go through swampy terrain, it is not that crippling, so i guess it is quite decent.

The most crippling weakness that i have found is that the ARL is quite easy to set on fire, not that it was that often anyway.

I haven't even managed to train my crew to have skills yet, and this tank already performed well.

So, why the hate?
ARL 44 is a decent, if not good, tank, why do so many people hated them?
Even Jingles can't get himself to love this tank.

Anyways, any ARL drivers out there?
Would you give me your personal opinion about crew skills and equipments on the ARL?
Yes, there are guides out there, but people's playstyle are different, so i really wanted to hear your opinions.

Oh, and just for lols, i've had something amusing happened to me on my last match in the ARL, it was a tier 8 match in Ruinberg.
Nearing the end of the match (we steamrolled the enemy), the only one left was an enemy T-44 (tier 8) camped near his base on the north, between the buildings.
Of course, my team and i descended upon him like fat kids on a cookie store.
The T-44 defended himself quite well, he held off agains a T-34 heavy, Tiger I, Indien and Rhm-B.
Until he saw me all alone on his flank.
He tried to rush PAST me to get away.
NOPE, i backed my tank and pinned him between me and a building.
He backed up, shoots at me (dinged my uber angled lower glacis), and died by my hand, mwahahahah.

Now, it is worth noting that the E25 driver in my team chatted to all, "Let's kill that camper." when we descended upon that hapless T-44.
But, surprise surprise, apparently the T-44 hated me more than the E25 driver that he actually harrassed me after the match was over, defending himself for being called a camper (it was not me who called him a camper).
Apparently, he was pissed off at me either because i:
A. Blocked his way out.
B. Drove a FRENCH TANK that just DINGED his shot.

Well, either way, i was very amused.

Here, for your entertainment.
For the sake of decency, i censored a part of his username.

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Armatus #2 Posted 04 March 2016 - 05:52 PM

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The armour is worthless. Anyone who knows what they're doing will shoot you in the turret. Also, your UFP isn't quite proof against same tier guns and you can't angle it because your sides are autopen.

 

The ARL is all about the firepower, but it's also possibly the worst thing about it because the gun control is shit. Your bloom is rubbish, and to make matters worse it's also a derpy French gun plus it takes 474858 seconds to aim in. The pen is good but 200+ pen at Tier 6 is just overkill. For optimum play use the 105mm with liberal gold.

 

I was quite ambivalent about the tank. I liked the alpha but you're fighting the gun 90% of the time, plus it's just so huge and clumsy.


Edited by Armatus, 04 March 2016 - 05:53 PM.


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I hated it because it lead into the amx m4 45.

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The other two guns are better choices.

The 90mm F3 because good gun handling.
The 105mm because alpha + DPM.


 

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Stock its annoying, because of that barn house turret, but its actually pretty ok fully upgraded. And honestly I had fun driving the t7 (did rather well in it too) and of course t8-x are excellent.

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It's just a shittier M6 tbh

 

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And don't forget about the HP/t of this tank. That's the part that make me really hate this so called HT (really ? with shit armor). Even KV-85 still way much better tank than this. 

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View PostEzz, on 04 March 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

I hated it because it lead into the amx m4 45.

 

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Pen is very good, but DCA 45's just doesn't dish out damage all that quickly. ARL 44 got 6 rounds/min. KV-85 and M6, standing also at tier 6, got nearly 8 rounds/min. Facing high tier tanks and penetrating them with AP is what makes this tank shine, but this exaggerates the low dpm as high tier opponents got high HP pools. Long aim time and horrible dispersion values mean ARL 44 takes long to aim. If you are playing peek-a-boom, this further reduces the actual dpm. Lastly, the armour and speed are both not that great. KV-85 and M6 got higher than average speed and T-150 and Churchill 7 got heavy armour. ARL 44 got worse than average armour (especially on the sides) and T-150 mobility.

Edited by alexanderleung, 04 March 2016 - 11:59 PM.

How can armor in the game be stronger?

Make shell fly wide more, and let RNG control that.


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I did quite badly in it (in retrospect, I tried to brawl waaaayyy to often), but that was before I really got the hang of French heavies - I wound up doing quite well in the AMX M4 45! I think I'd do much better in it now since it's not at as much of a disadvantage at it's tier as the M4 45.

 

Were I to get it again, I would do what I did in the M4 45 and run the derp with liberal gold as the accuracy really isn't much worse than then "sniper" gun and the damage is much better. I did wind up running the derp when I had the ARL 44, but didn't use gold much. Then again, I didn't need to because at T6, the pen on even the derp is quite decent.

 

Also the high definition reskin make the tank ugly as [edited]. The turret isn't sleek anymore, instead it was changed to this stumpy, boxy thing and the body doesn't look so hot either.


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i hate it because most of my shot in it get a 0 dmg critical

my sig also got HD buff ?


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I actually enjoy this tank, it's fun and the 105 cannon rocks.

 

It's a fun HT that plays like a turreted TD lol

 

I remember aceing with a defeat on this tank shooting at tier 8s because they choose to ignore me and go for my tier 8s in my team but it's a lost game and I did like 3k damage LOL................



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View PostEzz, on 04 March 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

I hated it because it lead into the amx m4 45.

 

I've ground the M4 45 three times now and I really don't understand the hate. The ARL barely rates ambivalence but people really hate the M4.

 

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I don't think there is any middle ground with the frenchies.  You either love or hate them and the dramatic increase in play style once you hit the 50-100 doesn't help either.  I liked the M4 45.  Pro was  its gun, con was its armor.  It was like a paper thin tiger 1. 

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View PostDanLBob, on 06 March 2016 - 10:46 AM, said:

I've ground the M4 45 three times now and I really don't understand the hate. The ARL barely rates ambivalence but people really hate the M4.

 

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I wouldn't call the gun accurate by any counts. It's like a French gun, all that pen but you need to hit the target first

 

 

Which this ARL seems to have a problem doing when I tried it.


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View PostRalphTheTheatreCat, on 06 March 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

I don't think there is any middle ground with the frenchies.  You either love or hate them and the dramatic increase in play style once you hit the 50-100 doesn't help either.  I liked the M4 45.  Pro was  its gun, con was its armor.  It was like a paper thin tiger 1. 

 

Can't agree more, i think ARL is a tank that will either fit you like a glove or became a huge pain in the derriere, especially with the disparity of people's feelings towards the tank, although i think the ARL decided to be a be a pain for most people.

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Hasn't the barn turret been retired?

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View PostEzz, on 06 March 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

For a start it isn't a T29. Second it isn't an IS or tiger. And third it's ugly as fork.

Fork's ugly?


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View Post_Sammich_, on 10 March 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

Fork's ugly?

 

Clearly, he does fork your eyes after all.

 

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