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crazib #21 Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:26 PM

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View PostJimmyJim, on 11 April 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

Winning is LUCK concluded WG League Final :) The final with a batchat stuck in some unknown location on Cliff made me go................ [edited] :trollface:

 

So LUCK wins.

 

As for ELONG playing not so that well, I "suspect" that they are trying to hide some of their better strat for later games (*to catch the better team by surprise when they manage to execute those strat*), but seem like it backfired on them when all the teams are just doing their best to win instead of hiding their strats.

 

Some of the games with YATO seem like LUCK play a major role LOL............. oh well.......... the moral of the story if you hide your real cards for too long you might not get to show it,

 

well better strats? i find that some of the things that ELONG did was... stupid?

 

e.g: tvp going ahead of the 113 just to get rekted. And much more its like tomato mistakes


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JimmyJim #22 Posted 11 April 2016 - 09:14 PM

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View Postcrazib, on 11 April 2016 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

well better strats? i find that some of the things that ELONG did was... stupid?

 

e.g: tvp going ahead of the 113 just to get rekted. And much more its like tomato mistakes

 

LOL, they represent us afterall :)

Must give them the benefit of doubt that maybe they are not in their best and lost and we can all blame LUCK lol..............



ibianconeri #23 Posted 12 April 2016 - 08:13 PM

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It's seems like ELONG is not used to fight with tier X format in this year because previously they play tier 8 only. I'm just quite upset when they making a lot of individual mistake. Well I just hope they can improve their game next year. If they can..........:hiding:

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crazib #24 Posted 12 April 2016 - 09:39 PM

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View Postibianconeri, on 12 April 2016 - 12:13 PM, said:

It's seems like ELONG is not used to fight with tier X format in this year because previously they play tier 8 only. I'm just quite upset when they making a lot of individual mistake. Well I just hope they can improve their game next year. If they can..........:hiding:

 

most of their players have extensive tier 10 experience, i even do platoon with some of them before, but i regularly platoon with black.

 

they dominate the tier 10 gold series in APAC, but apparently the meta of APAC differs alot from cis and eu regions

 

I do think they were not playing in 'form' that day.


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I agree with crazib... APAC meta was far behind of from cis and eu.

Elong need to step up.. and change region (as they did between chinese and asia server)
Elong need to play in CIS, and to compete at highest lvl all season. 

 



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View Postibianconeri, on 12 April 2016 - 10:13 PM, said:

It's seems like ELONG is not used to fight with tier X format in this year because previously they play tier 8 only. I'm just quite upset when they making a lot of individual mistake. Well I just hope they can improve their game next year. If they can..........:hiding:

Yeah I'd say that's the case with this game, and tbh they keep changing the format every year so far, first it was the t8s with t1s, next it was the t8s-t7s/t6 and now the t10 format. WGL plz stap changing format! However to me personally it felt like El gaming had a decision of letting a Chinese representivite team so through the play offs, if you look at the past gfs the Chinese representivites never really past the play offs or the first game (2014 gf). But don't listen to me, I'm just a stupid fanboy makin excuses!!!! :P


 

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EL got outplayed, they played like shit and did not play their own game at their own tempo.

 

They tried to force games and And a lot of individual mistakes made them look pretty poor.

 

It was a very disappointing especially considering how they dominate this server.

The other difference is they played against teams that trains as much if not even more then they do, compare that to the teams here in asia who does not have the resources to train as much and there you go. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
 
 
 
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Serene_Potato #28 Posted 13 April 2016 - 10:30 AM

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And the WGL grand finals made it very clear to everyone that the only reason why WG introduced a tank as broken as the TVP was to create more dynamic grand final games

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View PostSerene_Potato, on 13 April 2016 - 02:30 AM, said:

And the WGL grand finals made it very clear to everyone that the only reason why WG introduced a tank as broken as the TVP was to create more dynamic grand final games

 

tvp wasn't really used much in the games, instead bat chats and 113s were used often

 

everyone was expecting the broken t110e5s to be abused but NOPE


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View Postcrazib, on 13 April 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

tvp wasn't really used much in the games, instead bat chats and 113s were used often

 

everyone was expecting the broken t110e5s to be abused but NOPE

EL Gaming seemed to use a lot of TVPs and Batchats.

I mean one can't really say that the E5 is unbalanced when shit like the TVP and the IS_6 are in the game. :P

 


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View PostSerene_Potato, on 13 April 2016 - 04:12 AM, said:

EL Gaming seemed to use a lot of TVPs and Batchats.

I mean one can't really say that the E5 is unbalanced when shit like the TVP and the IS_6 are in the game. :P

 

 

yes thats only for ELONG, but if you look at the NA, CIS, and EU regions they seems to limit their TVP to 1-2.

 

tell me if i am wrong: i have never seen 3 or more TVPs used in one team other then ELONG

 

and boy the final match between NAVI and hellraisers was crazy: bat chat spam with 1 ru251 on each side.

 

But well us as APAC on the whole will have to look to the CIS region and try to incorporate their tactics into our teams, so that we can give teams like ELONG and SN a much better challenge,


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ibianconeri #32 Posted 13 April 2016 - 01:08 PM

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What make me upset 113...... I mean the Chinese tier X Heavy tank that I've never seen again long time ago in this server. (Random,Stronghold, CW battle), become an absolute beast there. Even they not using IS-7 or E-100. at all. Moreover the buffed T110E5 (which is good for me) is rarely used. 

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Issue with the E5 in the WGL is that its armour doesn't hold up that well against gold in comparison to the FV215B and 113. Its armour profile is great in for bullying in pub matches where most rounds aren't gold, but in a competitive format it is a jack of all trades, master of none. While this is great at forming the armoured core of say, a clan wars push, in 7 vs 7 every tank has a specialised role, which it has to fulfill very well.

 

For example, the IS7 and especially the 215B utterly outclasses the E5 in a hull down role, as they will pen the cupola with ease while retaining the same speed and similar sidescraping potential. The 113 is equal to the E5 in a hull down fight, but has the same reload with more alpha, and flexes way faster. There are simply not that many situations when the somewhat troll armour of the E5 can be used to good effect.

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What make me upset 113...... I mean the Chinese tier X Heavy tank that I've never seen again long time ago in this server. (Random,Stronghold, CW battle), become an absolute beast there. Even they not using IS-7 or E-100. at all. Moreover the buffed T110E5 (which is good for me) is rarely used. 

 

113 is exceptionally strong after the buff, easily the equal of the T110E5. Its only due to its rarity and the limited meta change in ASIA T10 CW that results in it being underused.



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View Postibianconeri, on 13 April 2016 - 05:08 AM, said:

What make me upset 113...... I mean the Chinese tier X Heavy tank that I've never seen again long time ago in this server. (Random,Stronghold, CW battle), become an absolute beast there. Even they not using IS-7 or E-100. at all. Moreover the buffed T110E5 (which is good for me) is rarely used. 

 

thats the point, now the 113 is the new meta, because of the buffs given to it recently. Terrain resistance buff which makes it much more mobile mix that up with its excellent power to weight ratio and top speed of 50km/h makes it feel more like a medium tank. Has the same rate of fire as the T110E5 but yet 40 more alpha which actually puts it in a higher DPM then the T110E5. And a gun depression buff of -5, just as any decent is3 player -5 is considered good workable under any circumstances. It has excellent armor if you angle it and hull down. 

 

So with all this good traits, its a a heavy medium hybrid. 

 

And if you look at EU clan wars some clans have already use 113 as their staple tank.


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View Postibianconeri, on 13 April 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

What make me upset 113...... I mean the Chinese tier X Heavy tank that I've never seen again long time ago in this server. (Random,Stronghold, CW battle), become an absolute beast there. Even they not using IS-7 or E-100. at all. Moreover the buffed T110E5 (which is good for me) is rarely used. 

 

Problem with the 113 is that it is not the most pubbie friendly tank due to lack of gun depression, and a lot of players have not grinded it.

Since the Buff it is probably my most played heavy along with the 50B 

 

Tourny play is also very different from pub plays, E100 is just to slow, to bad DPM and so on.

fits into CW meta with 14 other tanks yes

when you only got 7 tanks to play with there needs to be a perfect balance between armor/staying ability flexibility and DPM

this is where the 113 fits in perfect. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
 
 
 
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