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FishyPower #1 Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:11 PM

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Sure, if you do it intentional, causing your team to lose, I think your clan has the right to report you for that, but if that was a command from your clan, why should it be punished. If you have to make it for another battle, you might have to suicide for that match. Your opponent goes to the next round, you give up on the battle which you can't win, so why not?

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Uses WSAD to suicide = rule violation

 

Using WSAD to suicide because somebody told you to = rule violation.

 

You can sugar-coat it all you want, a rule violation is a rule violation. Chances are if you have the chance to intentionally suicide, you have the chance to intentionally drive towards the enemy.

 

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Pretty Predictable Reaction to what happened earlier.:D

 

 

 

 

 

 


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If you want to suicide, just drive towards the group of RED dots on the map.

That one is not illegal.

Unless it's match fixing, now that one is also illegal.


Edited by iDd_Sloth, 17 February 2017 - 09:09 PM.

When an enemy Arty "one shots" 2 of your teams' heavies and you're in a heavy tank, you know you're screwed.

A heavy tank should have armor and a big gun, if you don't have either then you're not.


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Ok right. But does it really matter? Isn't the point of the battle to win. If you enemy dies why would you care?

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Yes it does, as it denies fame points which rightly goes to the winning team and is against the spirit of competition and fair play.


When an enemy Arty "one shots" 2 of your teams' heavies and you're in a heavy tank, you know you're screwed.

A heavy tank should have armor and a big gun, if you don't have either then you're not.


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There are clan missions for killing tanks. Because the tank wasn't 'killed', you are denying them the mission. Hence, you are exploiting the rules, and get the needed punishment.

 

Give up mate, your clan commander did the crime, now he does the time. 


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View PostNapalmer, on 17 February 2017 - 11:18 PM, said:

There are clan missions for killing tanks. Because the tank wasn't 'killed', you are denying them the mission. Hence, you are exploiting the rules, and get the needed punishment.

 

Give up mate, your clan commander did the crime, now he does the time. 

 

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View PostNapalmer, on 17 February 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

There are clan missions for killing tanks. Because the tank wasn't 'killed', you are denying them the mission. Hence, you are exploiting the rules, and get the needed punishment.

 

Give up mate, your clan commander did the crime, now he does the time. 

 

ah right. Well, in that case its understandable. Just didn't know and was curious

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Maybe he should have driven towards the enemy tanks instead of trying to drown himself/crash himself(pretty sure they are the same thing in denying fp etc)

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View PostFishyPower, on 17 February 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

ah right. Well, in that case its understandable. Just didn't know and was curious

 

not just FP your denying the other team of the victory points, that which your clan are farming by doing just landing zones and not holding a province. 

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at the top of the global map you will see all the missions available to your clan on the tier 6 map

under the  operation "Valour and Honour" tab at the bottom of the list. 



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View Postmoyzie, on 18 February 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

 

not just FP your denying the other team of the victory points, that which your clan are farming by doing just landing zones and not holding a province. 

if you click the 

at the top of the global map you will see all the missions available to your clan on the tier 6 map

under the  operation "Valour and Honour" tab at the bottom of the list. 

 

View PostNapalmer, on 18 February 2017 - 12:18 AM, said:

There are clan missions for killing tanks. Because the tank wasn't 'killed', you are denying them the mission. Hence, you are exploiting the rules, and get the needed punishment.

 

Give up mate, your clan commander did the crime, now he does the time. 

 

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View PostFishyPower, on 17 February 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

Ok right. But does it really matter? Isn't the point of the battle to win. If you enemy dies why would you care?

 

It does, for the reasons stated above. To summarize:

  • Suicide deprives your opponent of the chance to kill your tank, both the kill and the hp of damage available
  • This is bad because of present CW missions
  • During campaigns fame is calculated based on damage dealt to enemy, and intentionally denying your opponent fame can lead to them not attaining reward tanks/ranks.

 

There are other reasons (intentional suicides fall within the match-fixing category of unfair play), but suffice to say that intentional suicide is bad. Driving at the enemy recklessly to speed up battles is also unfun, but practically understandable if you are needed in another battle. At least that way you have a chance of doing your bit to defeat the enemy (shoot the enemy) while fulfilling your clan's strategic goals (delay the enemy).


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View PostFishyPower, on 17 February 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

Ok right. But does it really matter? Isn't the point of the battle to win. If you enemy dies why would you care?

 

Die like a man, not a coward.

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View PostTxTheBest, on 18 February 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

 

Die like a man, not a coward.

 

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Proloser_The_Atomistic #16 Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:12 PM

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Never suicide no matter how bleak the chances are of a win... fight like a man or die trying.

 

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It's also another reason I dislike arty players... most of them will drown before the end of the match because they are such [edited] cowards.



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Ok, I heard a bit more, so there was I think 1 min left to the next match, and he couldn't afford to waste time finding the enemy, as a result he drowned himself. I'm not saying that this is right, but I would like to hear suggestion on what else he could have done.

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View PostFishyPower, on 18 February 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

Ok, I heard a bit more, so there was I think 1 min left to the next match, and he couldn't afford to waste time finding the enemy, as a result he drowned himself. I'm not saying that this is right, but I would like to hear suggestion on what else he could have done.

 

Gone and capped base? That takes like 1 min 30 sec or so and should draw the enemy out.

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View PostFishyPower, on 19 February 2017 - 02:49 AM, said:

Ok, I heard a bit more, so there was I think 1 min left to the next match, and he couldn't afford to waste time finding the enemy, as a result he drowned himself. I'm not saying that this is right, but I would like to hear suggestion on what else he could have done.

Possibly for future. You could simply exit the battle early (if it's been very obvious that he's actually been playing etc, and if he's the last alive. Park himself in the open and leave the battle? - mods possibly confirm this would be okay?)


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View PostFishyPower, on 19 February 2017 - 01:49 AM, said:

Ok, I heard a bit more, so there was I think 1 min left to the next match, and he couldn't afford to waste time finding the enemy, as a result he drowned himself. I'm not saying that this is right, but I would like to hear suggestion on what else he could have done.

 

Nice excuse. Here's a screenshot that stewiejp took using the free-cam mod for replays:

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While yes, there's 1 minute left until the draw (or next battle), you'll note the relative positions of the T-34-85 and T-150 to the M44. It's highly likely they knew he was there (haven't watched the replay, not sure if he was spotted earlier).

 

It is 100% certain that he knew last known locations of enemies, and as a result he could have driven towards them to die, if he knew he was going to lose. Instead, he drove as far away as possible, (nowhere near allied base) and went to drown. Almost every clan on this server that is active is aware of the consequences of drowning (See last campaign as an example), and yet the player still intentionally drowned. There is ZERO doubt that this is an intentional suicide.

 

What sort of clan can't field 8 players in a CW timezone? Even if the other 6 had left to join the next battle, there surely must be another online ready to fill the spot.

Even with the player currently banned, the clan in question is still fielding 12 active players in CW as seen here:

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Stating that 'drowning was the only option' because they 'needed players for the next game' is hard to believe.

 

So, to answer your question, things he could have done that were within the parameters of the rules:

  • Rushed through the abbey and through the middle of the map, trying to get spotted and die
  • Rushed towards enemy cap, alerted the enemy he was there and promptly die.
  • Rushed towards the closest enemy's last known location, and die.
  • Camp in a corner, wait until the enemy comes and play the engagement normally

 

View PostRun_Away_Brave_sir_Robin, on 19 February 2017 - 10:01 AM, said:

Possibly for future. You could simply exit the battle early (if it's been very obvious that he's actually been playing etc, and if he's the last alive. Park himself in the open and leave the battle? - mods possibly confirm this would be okay?)

I believe leaving the battle counts as passive play and is also able to be sanctioned. Otherwise clans could run multiple dummy accounts and then exit them to garage. 

 

 


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