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FishyPower #41 Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:54 PM

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The main thing is requesting for fire doesn't mean shit to the team and that means that tanks that rely on scouts are hard to play. Staying alive is hard enough, but when the enemy rushes and your team has clear lanes of fire yet lets the scout rush through to let you get scouted and then focus fired by the enemy team...

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jessica_raven #42 Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:22 PM

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Might as well keep 251 till Rhm pzrwagon came out. Its a waste to buy it again for grinding.
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I suggested this idea some time back as an interim fix. I think with recent changes it would be even more beneficial and easily coded by WG as it doesn't require alteration of match generation just tweaking the line-up on each side after MM is 'done'.

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.asia/index.php?/topic/67080-mm-stop-gap-solution-until-u-fix-it-1-procedural-step/page__fromsearch__1

 

 

An excerpt from the above:

"steps:

1. MM does its thing and produces 2 teams ready to go into battle.

2. The extra step triggers and looks at both teams... and based on the relative presence of different classes amongst the tiers jiggles them between the teams to ensure a modicum of balance."

 



 

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Proloser #44 Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:26 PM

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View Post_Sammich_, on 21 March 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

E-50 would like a word.

 

Havent played them myself, but a few people rate the Patton and Skoda *very* highly.

 

Played the E-50 once, can't really remember what it was like. Haven't ever played the Patton but I hated the tier 9 Skoda for some reason. It was easy to farm damage in but hard to carry (for me at least). You might argue that I was playing it the wrong way but I'm pretty sure it plays just like the tier 10. Weird thing is that I perform far better in the tier 10 which is not supposed to be as good tier for tier (52% wr in the tier 9 but 62% over 400 battles in the tier 10... go figure).

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Inglorious_Aussie_Tanker #45 Posted 22 March 2017 - 05:52 AM

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More MM Magic..............

I Mean OBVIOUSLY we Won, Cause they had 4 "Sky Toilets".  But how does that happen?

Again, we've seen this Type of Imbalance before, but Look at the Heavies.  It's not like they are "Light Heavies", these are Proper Tough Heavy Tanks, and the Enemy has them ALL.  MM why do you HATE me So?


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Ratbag #46 Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:10 PM

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Had a game the other day, tier 6 (to put this into perspective). Health of teams was: 8600 ours, 12100 theirs (seriously, 3500 difference on TIER 6!). We had 3 HT vs 10 HT and 6 tier 6 vs 9.

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View PostProloser, on 21 March 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

Lights are super hard to carry in so no wonder you're seeing those WRs. Once you get to the Leo PTA it all changes though. That's the best tier 9 medium IMHO.

 

I just don't get the massive disparity in win rates.  I'm just not allowed to get a win in the Blackdog.  If it wasn't a prem I'd have sold it already.  Now I just regret buying it.  Wargaming getting less and less likely to see any more of my pennies with nonsense like this.  Last game in the GF I fired 18, hit 1 penned 0.  Nearly every shot in to the sides of heavies from mid range, or short range ridgeline shots at enemy lights and meds flying ten meters high.  

 

The RU is getting sold as soon as I unlock the Leopard.  Not even waiting for the credits to buy it first; the thing is just making me rage too hard.  



sabre_ferret #48 Posted 23 March 2017 - 01:49 PM

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View PostJezzalenko1978, on 21 March 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

T-54 brother! :great: - for a scrub like me imo; it's the most forgiving pound for pound med in any tier - PTA needs a better player due to bad trade off damage :harp: that I have a bad habit of doing!

 

I have the (HEA)T-54; and I love it.  Blue stets and it's just downright fun.  I have the T-62A unlocked and I'm just waiting for a tier X sale to buy it.  I had 350 odd games in the 54 on my EU account, so I already had learned to use it, 11k games ago!  I wouldn't have been able to do the damage missions without it.  All my lower tier tanks were getting 80% bottom tier games.  

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View PostProloser, on 21 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

lel true T-54 is more forgiving but it's just so dull and boring to play; and I don't like having to go full guld spam to pen anything equal or higher tier :\

 

I've lost so many credits in the last fortnight with these missions making me grind the HEAT-54...  

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View Postjessica_raven, on 21 March 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Might as well keep 251 till Rhm pzrwagon came out. Its a waste to buy it again for grinding.

 

It upsets me so much that I'd rather abandon the line than see my WR get knackered for another 200k grind.  

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View Postsabre_ferret, on 23 March 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

It upsets me so much that I'd rather abandon the line than see my WR get knackered for another 200k grind.  

251 are quite forgiving imo, at least compared to french LT. I dont do well in it, barely 50%, but Its fun to play when I keep getting open map, and Rhm pnzrwagon looks like my typical kemp bush type of tank. I'll get it even my WR got down to 35% while grinding :P


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sabre_ferret #52 Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:42 PM

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I just bought a Spershing to give me something solid for grinding credits when the game is being unforgiving.  So far, I've had six defeats in a row, all 5-15 or worse, and over inside 5min.  Is this some kind of Wargaming joke?  I've been getting penned from long range by Bulldogs, while all of my shots go floating a mile over whatever I aim at.  Nice one guys, thanks a lot.  

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Some MORE MM Magic........

No Platoons to Mess anything up.  How does 1 team end up with 3 SPG's?


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Supercrier #54 Posted 25 March 2017 - 10:13 AM

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I was winning good 52%.  Then I lost 5% in two days with so many loses to 47%.  Then more to 45%.  I tried hard to win and got back to 48%.  Yesterday and today were very bad.  Im back to 45%.  I play TD I'm at Tier 3.  Also today in few games I'm firing right at tanks and nothing happening?, no bounce or critical, no miss just nothing?.  Also missing shots I would normally hit or all my shots will bounce or I will get crits and 0 damage but my crew almost 100% now (its like the better my crew gets the worse it is).   My damage out put has dropped also.   When I dropped to 47% I made a list of my games since then.  And it is 121 games.  Now in 121 games I have lost 68 and won 53 so that 15 lose difference.  Also out of 121 games only 12 were Tier 3! and out of those 12 games 8 were in city map :(.  I see so much Tier 5 and my team is crazy, we can be 5-7 lost tanks in first few minutes and sides of maps not covered so I go there because if I don't they will get behind us but I die anyway (Ive played BF, DC, EOD etc).   Yes today was 20 games I played and 15 lost, two were Tier 3.  Is almost like it It wont matter what I do.  It is decided who win and who lose already.  I read up and know what my TD is for and that I do rely on my team a lot to perform correctly which is frustrating, seems other players don't read on their tank.  Someone said to me it will all balance out again.  Ok so Im going to magically start winning back to 52%?.  If so that's just silly.

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It balances out for average players. Bads will lose more, goods will win more.

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Just had a tier 8 game on Ensk. They had 4 heavies and we had none. You can probably guess how it ended...
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iDd_Sloth #57 Posted 25 March 2017 - 05:57 PM

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Those orbital ion cannons that do proliferate on T9 and T10 games (3-4 of them) that are "usually" driven by our newly merged friends from a part of Asia are unusually very accurate and they do love to "XVM" snipe.

I'm not accusing them of anything they are good players and RNG seems to favor them alot, I just hate it when they just wait for you to "POP" up and send one care package your way.:arta:

You know that feeling that when your "6th sense" lights up and you are in your HT and there happens to be a plat of those "user3XXXXXX" playing arty 95% you are going to get FF and sent back to garage. :arta:


When an enemy Arty "one shots" 2 of your teams' heavies and you're in a heavy tank, you know you're screwed.

A heavy tank should have armor and a big gun, if you don't have either then you're not.


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View PostEzz, on 25 March 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

It balances out for average players. Bads will lose more, goods will win more.

 

  Trying to lift the WR again today.  But just had a game were my IKV 72 failed to pen a bishop at point blank range in the side (we didnt pen their armor), he destroyed me thou.  There no way in hell that should happen, his hull armor 60/50/60, my pen 90/120/38.  o.O?  Talk about random lol.  Anyway time to melt me barrel.

 

Getting no where.  Im out damaging alot of the tier 5s in my team.  try another day.


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Well for me its getting worse.... and I am fed up with this







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