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[Elphaba]

AMX 30 1er prototype and AMX 30B

 

French Tier IX and X medium tanks are similar to German Leopard 1: in battles they play sniper’s role providing support at long distances. There are minor differences in characteristics, but these vehicles are still very similar.

 

Changes that currently undergo testing will separate game roles of French and German top mediums. AMX 30Bs will no longer be only snipers and will be able to support their team members at medium engagement distance.

 

Characteristics update will be similar to both vehicles:

•  Turret armor - We will significantly increase the front armor of these vehicles. The changes are aimed at increasing the survival rate of vehicles in battles: due to decreased distance in battles it’s necessary to strengthen turret armor in order to keep the survival rate of the vehicle at the same level. But it will not turn them into invulnerable monsters firing from behind the hills: even with increased armor commander’s hatch will remain an obvious weakspot.
•  Gun handling - Firepower characteristics will be rebalanced: we will add more stabilization and damage per minute to the gun so that the tanks could battle more effectively at a medium distance while moving around the battlefield. To keep overall balance, fire effectiveness at a long distance will be reduced: APCR shell penetration will reduced from 260 to 247 mm, and accuracy will be reduced to 0.34.

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Tank Destroyers

 

French Tier VIII, IX and X Tank Destroyer will receive a comprehensive rebalance to bring these vehicles up-to-date with current conditions of Random Battles. Their firepower, mobility and armor will all be affected.

• On the Supertest vehicles will feature 120-mm gun with a magazine loading system. TDs of Tier VIII and IX will have magazines, and Tier X will get a new top gun instead of the 155-mm one it has now.
• Side armor protection will be improved. Vehicles will be less vulnerable to armor overmatch with 3 calibers rule.
• Mobility of the top tier vehicle will serve as a basis and will be transferred to Tier VIII and IX TDs with corresponding adjustments.

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Bat.-Châtillon 25 t.

 

During the Supertest we will test a new possible game role form the French Tier X medium tank Bat.-Châtillon 25 t. The purpose of these changes is to make heavy autoloader tanks and Batchat more distinct.

 

The gun changes will increase the comfort of firing thanks to better aiming parameters, but will significantly decrease the chances of destroying same-tier mediums with one magazine. We intend to make the vehicle more comfortable, reducing the cost of mistakes when engaging enemies – missing one shell out of six will be less punishing than with 5-shell clip. Moreover, the reload time between shells and reload time of the entire clip will be decreased, which will give opportunity to effectively use the firepower potential of the tank.

 

Improved accuracy and aiming time will not only make it easier to shoot, but will potentially influence survival rate, since the time required for a shot will be decreased and the tank will correspondingly be less under opponent’s fire.

 

And last but not least, Bat.-Châtillon 25 t. will also receive a gorgeous HD quality remodel.

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Please note that any numerical value mentioned here is for testing purposes only and not final, it may be changed at any time.

[_Storm]

WG should really add turret + track bloom into the base stats, as they're way more important than aim time and accuracy, and would make changes to gun handling far clearer, and therefore easier to discuss.

[Napalmer]

Elphaba, on 05 July 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

The purpose of these changes is to make heavy autoloader tanks and Batchat more distinct.

By giving the Batchat a gun with less alpha than the light tank from the same nation. GG. 

[Ezz]

One might surmise that the purpose of this nerf to the (imo) premier scout tank in the game was to add some relevance to the light tanks that very few would bother with while the bat was so prominent.

 

Of course the alternate for WG was just to make the lights actually competitive... but lol, that's throw out the window sort of crazy that is.

[Gani_GANz]

300 alpha? why not 320 like the other 100mm guns

[Ezz]

G_A_N_I, on 05 July 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

300 alpha? why not 320 like the other 100mm guns

(all iirc) 

 

88mm vary from 220 - 300.

90mm i think are all about 240.

100mm vary from 250 - 320.

105s are 300 (what's the swedish leo?) - 390.

120s are pretty consistent 400.

122s range between 390 and 440.

128s vary from 490 to 560.

130s 490 - 560 as well but not really sure about that 100y.

 

Basically there is bugger all consistency so i wouldn't be holding your breath.

Edited by Ezz, 05 July 2017 - 07:51 PM.

[Gani_GANz]

I'm well aware about that, Ezz.

but, yo! what I mean is...

 

"not again...."

[tekno]

Ezz, on 05 July 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

One might surmise that the purpose of this nerf to the (imo) premier scout tank in the game was to add some relevance to the light tanks that very few would bother with while the bat was so prominent.

 

Of course the alternate for WG was just to make the lights actually competitive... but lol, that's throw out the window sort of crazy that is.

 

so now the slightly stealthier obj430(c/f batty) is the premier scout.....still good armour/pen/rof......so the Lts are still pretty much useless..

Edited by tekno, 05 July 2017 - 08:47 PM.

[Ezz]

tekno, on 05 July 2017 - 10:46 PM, said:

 

so now the slightly stealthier obj430(c/f batty) is the premier scout.....still good armour/pen/rof......so the Lts are still pretty much useless..

 

The 430 might become the premier scout if WG decide people need to grind that next.

 

Otherwise i'd wager a few of the tier 9 meds are still better in many regards than the 10 Lts given the on most maps the key vision advantage of the lights is pretty much useless. But anyway, that's mostly by the by and probably for another topic.

[MagicalFlyingFox]

Elphaba, on 05 July 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

During the Supertest we will test a new possible game role form the French Tier X medium tank Bat.-Châtillon 25 t. The purpose of these changes is to make heavy autoloader tanks and Batchat more distinct.

 

Please tell devs that the reason for the changes is complete BS.

Also please tell devs to play the 50B and BC 25t so they realise that the only similarity between the two is that they are french, are paper and have autoloaders with similar per shot alpha. All this change does is have the similarities be that they are french, are paper and have autoloaders.

 

In other words, tell the devs that we can see that the sole reason for these changes is to remove the BC from the role of the scout in CW/Pubs/everything to entice players to grind up to the really shitty Tier 10 light tanks. 

[Profanisaurus]

MagicalFlyingFox, on 05 July 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

In other words, tell the devs that we can see that the sole reason for these changes is to remove the BC from the role of the scout in CW/Pubs/everything to entice players to spend real life money to free XP to the really shitty Tier 10 light tanks. 

Fixed.

[ibianconeri]

Lol probably Batchat will become another relic after FV215B....such a shame.

[MagicalFlyingFox]

Profanisaurus, on 06 July 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

Fixed.

 

I didn't specify how they're going to be grinding them

[Rhogath]

I really question why the MT only has a 100mm while the LT gets a 105mm... why not the other way round?

As for the Foch 50b... that's pathetic penetration for a tier 10 TD.

Can we also keep the single shot 120mm on the tier 8 and 9 and give the Foch 50b getting a single shot 155mm? Lets people choose their playstyle more