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Jarms #21 Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:11 PM

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View PostEnsign_Brendoonigan, on 26 July 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

I've got the top gun now but I do wonder if the quick firing gun is a better option just for raw dpm.

 

The top 75 is good, but you sacrifice gun depression and DPM, for better alpha and penetration. The 6-Pdr struggles when bottom tier, but I'd actually argue it's the better gun in tier V and VI games. One trick you can use with the top 75mm is while you're waiting to reload you can angle your turret to try and bounce enemy return shots. 


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Matt_B #22 Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:22 PM

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I'd go with a Rammer, Toolbox and Binocs because it's a tier 5 that's no keeper, and will doubtless have a scrub crew with no repair or vision skills.

 

On the off chance that you think it's worth making a permanent addition to your collection, and/or have a decent crew to put into it, you could swap the latter two for class 3 vents and an EGLD. That's what I run on the Church III, which shares my 2 skill Russian heavy crew.

 

The 75 gets better gun depression over the sides, which can be sometimes handy. The armour there is dreadful, but the wide tracks can sometimes eat enough shells for you to win a DPM fight.



Ensign_Brendoonigan #23 Posted 26 July 2017 - 08:57 PM

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Here's where I'm at today. Didn't have much WR success as constantly bottom tier again and as usual they have a lot more heavies than we do, but my damage continues to improve in her (using top 75mm) so I'm definitely enjoying playing her. currently gone with EGLD, Vents and Binos. Bino's don't seem that useful though now as I'm up front all the time (that and I forget to put them back on). Considering spall liner but I'm not getting hit by Arty anywhere near as much as I use to, maybe Optics or tool kit.. She seems to fire fast enough so I don't see any point with the Rammer.

 

Definitely notice the decrease in depression (which sucks big time) however I find her biggest problem is simply that everyone uses either Heat or APCR against you so might as well not have any armour. (Having said that I'm starting to bounce O-I shells now) Even heavies are using it..... I mean seriously your tier 7 against a tier 5.....  I have 3 Crew at 60-65% on repairs but it's seriously still no where near fast enough, another has snap shot and the Commander has Sit Awareness. 

 

Either way I'm actually enjoying her. Now that I've got a decent gun that is and now only 17k until the Churchill 7. 

 

Should I set up the Churchill 7 the same as if I feel like just sitting on the grind I may well get her tomorrow!

 

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View PostMatt_B, on 26 July 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

I'd go with a Rammer, Toolbox and Binocs because it's a tier 5 that's no keeper, and will doubtless have a scrub crew with no repair or vision skills.

 

On the off chance that you think it's worth making a permanent addition to your collection, and/or have a decent crew to put into it, you could swap the latter two for class 3 vents and an EGLD. That's what I run on the Church III, which shares my 2 skill Russian heavy crew.

 

The 75 gets better gun depression over the sides, which can be sometimes handy. The armour there is dreadful, but the wide tracks can sometimes eat enough shells for you to win a DPM fight.

 

The scrub crew is NOT necessessarily true.  The Church 1 crew is hard to move on because it has 2 Gunners, due to the Hull gun.  So the crew either has to get split up or Stay with the Tank.  My crew are about 3/4 through their 2 skill.

Also the Visual Excitement of the Exposed Tracks around the Hull seems to make the Tank LOOK faster than it is.


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Matt_B #25 Posted 27 July 2017 - 08:27 AM

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I'm just basing it on the fact that it's the first British heavy tank in the line and that most people are going to start with a fresh crew rather than move one over. Some of the British SPGs need a second gunner, so that's a potential use for the spare man. Mine's currently sitting it out in the barracks while I'm unlocking the Conqueror GC.



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View PostEnsign_Brendoonigan, on 26 July 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

Either way I'm actually enjoying her. Now that I've got a decent gun that is and now only 17k until the Churchill 7. 

 

Should I set up the Churchill 7 the same as if I feel like just sitting on the grind I may well get her tomorrow!

 

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Ensign_Brendoonigan #27 Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:53 PM

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Been a rough day today in her. Almost always bottom tier and it's not pretty as my teams just don't last.  I can definitely see her flaws now, especially the Arty magnet. I must have a great big target on my tank as I'm definitely getting focused..

 

Getting plenty of XP though but it's still not turning into victories . Around 9k to go until the Churchill 7 but I probably won't buy her until I've reassessed which heavy line to play. This one is causing havoc with my WR and if the 7 is as bad as people say maybe I should reconsider. 

 

 


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The 7 is not a bad tank.  The 6 is horrific.  The 7 has workable armour against higher tiers and good DPM.  Pen is a little mediocre and alpha is king in the current meta which is less than ideal.  I kept the BP and back filled a crew in to it, still take it out for an occasional double if I'm platooning 7s with people.
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8 is a crappy armoured medium with no mobility and bad dpm. Its a sad sad tank. 

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What was once a Reasonable line, based on Accurate, High ROF low Alpha guns has been negated by Power Creep and New Nations with 50's and 60's era Tanks making the British Tanks obsolete.

WOT even played a Cruel joke, removing the TOP Tier (5) Light tank and making it a Medium.

 

There has been a Whisper that the British Tier 8 - 10 will get a Turret armor buff, but that doesn't help the rest of the obsolete line or the lack of Light/Scout Tanks that the British should have.


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Matt_B #31 Posted 28 July 2017 - 08:14 AM

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I can't say I'm that fussed about the Crusader changing class, as it's always played more like a medium, and the British mediums have seen a bit of love lately, and are becoming more competitive again.

 

However, the heavies are just getting left behind. The Caernarvon seems to be the epitome of all that's wrong with them as it lacks all three of armour, speed, and a big gun. With the current matchmaking almost always putting you in tier 10 games, about the only thing you can do with it is play it like a pre-buff Centurion. I.e. hide behind ridges, load gold, watch most of it still bounce, and get abused by your teammates for not playing a proper heavy tank.

 



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As an addendum to the above, I just played another game in the Caernarvon. As luck would have it, I ran into an LTTB and thought aha, finally, I'm up against a tank where my gun and armour might be worth something. Alas no, my shot bounced and his went straight through the ammo rack. The tank sucks so badly it can't even win a corner fight with a same tier light.

Ensign_Brendoonigan #33 Posted 29 July 2017 - 12:04 PM

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Well I've unlocked the Churchill 7 and am wondering if I should keep playing the Churchill until I get 6th sense in her for practice or just move up to tier 6 with the crew without it. I'm thinking it may not be the smartest thing to take any tier 6 tank without it. I used the Swedish STRV M42-57 as a crew trainer without it and felt my early results really suffered owing to the lack of it. 

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 29 July 2017 - 12:05 PM.

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cc series will never have a chance to retreat when spotted... but 6thsense still a must have for any tank

if your 6thsense so close to 100% then finish grinding it first


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Ensign_Brendoonigan #35 Posted 29 July 2017 - 12:27 PM

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View PostWhooohooo, on 29 July 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

cc series will never have a chance to retreat when spotted... but 6thsense still a must have for any tank

if your 6thsense so close to 100% then finish grinding it first

 

​I'm at 73% but I have no idea how much is required yet to get to 100%. :(

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View PostEnsign_Brendoonigan, on 29 July 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

​I'm at 73% but I have no idea how much is required yet to get to 100%. :(

 

Use the Planet WOT crew skill calculator:

 

http://www.planetwot.com/Crewxp/

 

It looks like you need about another 150,000 crew experience to get it, so that's quite a grind..

 

If you want to speed things up a bit, I'd suggest buying it with your free exp. You can get a 10x bonus rather than the usual 5x one, if you're prepared to wait until the next sale though.



Ensign_Brendoonigan #37 Posted 29 July 2017 - 04:33 PM

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Holy heck! That's an insanely high amount.....

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View PostProfanisaurus, on 27 July 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

The 7 is not a bad tank.  The 6 is horrific.  The 7 has workable armour against higher tiers and good DPM. Pen is a little mediocre and alpha is king in the current meta which is less than ideal.  I kept the BP and back filled a crew in to it, still take it out for an occasional double if I'm platooning 7s with people.

 

I wouldn't say the Black Prince has "good" DPM, the Churchill VII has better DPM than the BP, and out of the 9 tech tree heavies at tier 7 the Black Prince has the 5th worst DPM. With a gun that has the lowest alpha, lowest standard penetration, and lowest overmatch potential. 

 

What makes it workable is the turret armour and gun depression. 


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