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Ensign_Brendoonigan #1 Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:43 PM

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So I've passed 1600 games and whilst I feel I've done well in the game I've been surprised over my lack of damage output in my tanks still. I don't feel I'm doing badly as the vast majority of games I'm in I tend to be bottom tiered so really all I'm good for is playing a support role, but I need to work out how to improve this factor and contribute more to the team when this happens. But all said and done tanks that I feel I was doing well in still have me underperforming by win8. 

 

This was especially true in my Churchill 7 as the win8 tells me I'm terrible in it, yet the MOE has me as better than 58% of players at the moment which confuses me no end. Is it just the MM change which is throwing out the Win8 now, as how can I be deemed to be a subpar player in it, yet are better than 58% of the players over the last 2 weeks. To be honest I even considered playing her until I got the 1st MOE but because of how the win8 looks I just sold it as I couldn't be bothered with constantly being the top tiered heavy against tier 8 heavies (IE: basically just an easy 2 hit kill for them). My Churchill 1 tells me the same thing yet I have the MOE in it and it continues to climb to above 70% now! Now I'm still playing the Churchill 1 and will continue doing so as I have only about 25k left to unlock the GC so it's entirely possible I'll have the second mark on her, yet I'm sure I'll still be deemed a subpar player by win8.

 

As such is win8 now being thrown out for new players because of the new MM system as you have a much smaller pool of hp's to accumulate damage from. Owing to this I'm starting to think I should ignore the Win8 and use the MOE as a fairer reflection on how well I'm playing a tank. 

 

Also I start grinding through the Black Prince tomorrow and wondered should I just keep going until I get the Caernarvon, then the Conqueror and onto the FV215B in light of the new Super Conqueror currently being ST'd, or should I just stop once I get the Caernarvon and wait out for the British heavy updates then finish the line with the changes made. 

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 13 August 2017 - 03:03 PM.

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Bluefunk #2 Posted 13 August 2017 - 02:58 PM

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Because the MOE system is crippled and the majority of people have low MOE in a tank simply because they haven't played the tank for a high number of games which is needed for the value to add up.

 

Most human players can get 1 mark after some time but the difficulty gets higher for 2 mark, and very high for 3 mark

 

Winrate is still the best indicator, bur since it gets polluted by many factors, damage is a good second indicator. If you're not doing as much damage as your HP lost, you are statistically below average.



Ensign_Brendoonigan #3 Posted 13 August 2017 - 03:08 PM

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Thanks Bluefunk. So really I need to become a lot more selfish then and concentrate on my personal results instead of getting the win. 

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View PostEnsign_Brendoonigan, on 13 August 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

Thanks Bluefunk. So really I need to become a lot more selfish then and concentrate on my personal results instead of getting the win. 

If you play an mmo for the sake of others, you already lose the game when you click battle. 


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iDd_Sloth #5 Posted 13 August 2017 - 03:43 PM

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It's mostly about "Mine, mine, mine, mine ......x1000".

When an enemy Arty "one shots" 2 of your teams' heavies and you're in a heavy tank, you know you're screwed.

A heavy tank should have armor and a big gun, if you don't have either then you're not.


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Farm that damage in the right places then you'll automatically win.

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MoE doesn't really matter below 70%. 

Ensign_Brendoonigan #8 Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:46 PM

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Trying to do this a bit more now. It sounds easy but with the amount of camping I've seen today it's hard not to be front line. Maybe the BP isn't the best choice for this either as you have no choice but to get in the thick of it.

 

 

 

My tier 5 skoda though has had 2 good runs through so now I run away straight away, where before I may have waited another 30 seconds and get killed on the way out as i try to hold them back.


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0__lol__0 #9 Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:27 AM

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Winning is winning. If a tank after a couple of hundred games is winning 50% plus, so what if the WN8 is crap?

 

Heck, my WN8 says I should win 48%, but I generally win around 51%, with good sessions at 60% plus over 50 games, and shit ones at 46%. 

 

Pick tanks you like and win as much as you can. MoE is as good as anything IMO as to how well you are doing. If I consistently am better than 65% of players in that tank, then it really doesn't matter what WN8 says, because I'm playing against those other players, not a third party rating system.


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Nishizumi_Miho_SG #10 Posted 15 August 2017 - 01:18 PM

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View Post0__lol__0, on 15 August 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

Winning is winning. If a tank after a couple of hundred games is winning 50% plus, so what if the WN8 is crap?

 

Heck, my WN8 says I should win 48%, but I generally win around 51%, with good sessions at 60% plus over 50 games, and shit ones at 46%. 

 

Pick tanks you like and win as much as you can. MoE is as good as anything IMO as to how well you are doing. If I consistently am better than 65% of players in that tank, then it really doesn't matter what WN8 says, because I'm playing against those other players, not a third party rating system.

 

Because it is possible to win or lose 20 straight games (or a significant % of those two games) for no reason. In scientific notation, that means your winrate is (games won/games played) ± (20/games played)%. Means winrate is not going to be accurate until you have 1000 games, and even then it is still off by ±2%.

 

Damage variance is less extreme. Because if you lose 20 games (which can and will and do happen) you get 0% winrate out of 20 games, but you don't do 0 damage out of 20 games.

 

And also, I see your understanding of MoE and average damage continues to be as is.



0__lol__0 #11 Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:02 PM

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Sorry, you lost me at the "it is possible to lose/win 20 straight games".

 

It's possible, but not probable.

 

Playing 1000 games in a tank to work out if you are doing well, seems a little on the "patience, young Jedi" end of the scale. 

 

Scientifically speaking: games played/enjoying tank ratio needs to be in the "I like this tank" territory, vs, the "I can't afford to smash any more mice" territory. Scientifically speaking.

 

Besides, these days WN8 has more to do with how much you paid for a tank, than how well you play it. OP tanks equals gr8 statz.

 

 


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Ensign_Brendoonigan #12 Posted 17 August 2017 - 07:35 PM

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I discovered today that win 8 misses alot of aspects of the game. Spotting, capping and i believe assisted damage so it's just as flawed as any system. I watched a video where a player dod 12k spotting damage and the game was rated at a win8 equivalent of 558. 

 

So i guess the way to use it is to just use it as a basic indication on damage output only.

 

 


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0__lol__0 #13 Posted 25 August 2017 - 03:16 PM

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I read somewhere that the guys who maintained WN8 gave up around the time the current crop of OP premiums sprouted. I don't care enough to check.

 

It's pretty simple. Don't look at stats. Pressing battle with stats in mind is just silly. Almost as silly as the monthly missions. 

 

 


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