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BruceAlmighty1 #1 Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:13 PM

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Hi everyone,

 

Not sure how to use this forum so I hope I'm doing it right, but I have a question about the T-54:

As far as I was aware, the T-54 was the main tank of the Soviet Union and it's allies for years, with many thousands produced - Wikipedia suggests up to 100,000. So why then does the description for it on WoT say that only "713 vehicles were constructed before production was fazed out"? And It doesn't say anything about its importance as the major historical battle tank that it was.

 

I'm aiming to get one eventually but am mystified by its description....would I be getting the T-54 that I know?

 

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keep in mind World of Tanks is an arcade simulator, one before the other.

 

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the T-54 wasn't the final product, the Russians never stopped the development and improvement of the T-54, especially after the decline of the superheavy tanks and the rise of the MBT as the mainstay from the T-62 up to the T-90. Russia also exported many T-54s beyond the Warsaw Pact, but more often than not those exported T-54s were modified and thus not true T-54s.


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86,000-100,000 is the total number of T-54 and T-55's made, of which one specific variant, the T-54 mod. 1947, has 713 built. There are a lot of other T-54 variants; the in-game stock T-54 is the T-54 mod. 1947 (T-54-1 in Wikipedia), the in-game elite T-54 is the T-54 mod. 1949 variant (T-54-2 in Wikipedia), of which at least 1200 were made.

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Thanks for the replies guys.

 

I just wanted to know I was getting THE T-54 that I knew of.

 

It just seems surprising given the high level of accuracy and detail of much of the game.



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So...which T-54 were you thinking of?

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View PostBruceAlmighty1, on 15 August 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

It just seems surprising given the high level of accuracy and detail of much of the game.

Sooo.... you haven't had to face a nameless or edelwedel yet i take it...


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View PostEzz, on 17 August 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

Sooo.... you haven't had to face a nameless or edelwedel yet i take it...

Or how a 5'6" dude in car boot size turret compartment can load as fast as a 6'2" dude in a turret the size combi-van. Yeah. 

 

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Look guys, it's pretty simple. Let me spell it out:

 

Given that much of the game presents detailed information about each model of tank, with lots of visual (and audio) authentic detail to each model, I quite reasonably assumed that WoT was more than "just an arcade game".

 

Ok, I now get it everyone that it apparently IS "just an arcade game". Fine. Then forgive me for assuming otherwise given the high level of accuracy and detail throughout the game in general. If it's just and arcade game then why would they bother with all that? I've watched the Megastructures episode and it seems they do go to a lot of trouble for authenticity (yes except for the occasional weird made-up tanks).

 

And mttspiii, I'm referring to the same T-54 that is refereed to here in Tank Encyclopedia: "TThe T-54 is a legend. It was used more extensively that any other Cold War or modern MBT to date. It was supplied to or produced by Warsaw pact countries, forming the bulk of their forces during the 1960s-70s."

 

Sounds like they made a few more than just 713!

 

Just seems odd that they would make such a mistake on such a famous tank.

 

Look, no big deal, just seems funny that many of you just accept errors and inconsistencies like this. I get that if it's "just an arcade game" then that's ok, but at least they should be consistent. I just wanted to make sure I was spending all my hard-earned points on the right tank.



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Does the tank encyclopedia go into detail on the different models?

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BruceAlmighty1 #11 Posted 18 August 2017 - 01:10 PM

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Ezz I don't know how to reply to individual members so I'll just post it here.

 

Yes I think Tank Encyclopedia does go into the different models. But that's kind of beside the point as WoT doesn't. It just has the one T-54 (as well as ltwt version), so you'd think it'd be representative of most of the models. There isn't even a T-55 which was an important variant. 



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View PostBruceAlmighty1, on 18 August 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

Ezz I don't know how to reply to individual members so I'll just post it here.

 

Yes I think Tank Encyclopedia does go into the different models. But that's kind of beside the point as WoT doesn't. It just has the one T-54 (as well as ltwt version), so you'd think it'd be representative of most of the models. There isn't even a T-55 which was an important variant. 

 

Quote button in bottom right - tho if you're on a phone it can be harder.

 

There's also a 'mod 1' version and the T55a is a prem reward tank (represented as an east german variant hence in the german tree). Mtttssppiiiii might be able to shed some light on whether the chinese variants (type 59, wz 120 etc.) would be included in that tank encyclo description as well.

 

But yes, the game could be a little clearer as to models etc.. I'm not an expert on such things, but for instance i gather the M46 patton is only really an M46 with the stock turret while the upgraded turret is actually an M47. And for that matter the stock turret T54 may also represent some other real word version as well.


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View PostEzz, on 18 August 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

Quote button in bottom right - tho if you're on a phone it can be harder.

 

There's also a 'mod 1' version and the T55a is a prem reward tank (represented as an east german variant hence in the german tree). Mtttssppiiiii might be able to shed some light on whether the chinese variants (type 59, wz 120 etc.) would be included in that tank encyclo description as well.

 

But yes, the game could be a little clearer as to models etc.. I'm not an expert on such things, but for instance i gather the M46 patton is only really an M46 with the stock turret while the upgraded turret is actually an M47. And for that matter the stock turret T54 may also represent some other real word version as well.

 

Ah, got it thanks Ezz!

 

And thanks for that reply and for validating my confusion :)



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/T-55_operators_and_variants

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View Postafoxq, on 18 August 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

 

Yep, cheers. There were certainly a heap of models and variants made over the years.

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View PostBruceAlmighty1, on 18 August 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:

And mttspiii, I'm referring to the same T-54 that is refereed to here in Tank Encyclopedia: "TThe T-54 is a legend. It was used more extensively that any other Cold War or modern MBT to date. It was supplied to or produced by Warsaw pact countries, forming the bulk of their forces during the 1960s-70s."

 

Sounds like they made a few more than just 713!

 

Just seems odd that they would make such a mistake on such a famous tank.

 

Surprisingly, it's WG being quite pedantic with specifying that only 713 were made; that's because the description was for the mod. 1947 variant which is the stock tank you get straight out of the box (or tech tree). Fortunately, they were not pedantic enough to name the pixel tank as "T-54 mod.1947/T-54 mod. 1949" in the same way WG lumped the M40 & M43 as "M40/43", because it's clunky, clumsy, and a mouthful to pronounce or type.

 

Ironically, the only actual "T-54", would be the in-game tier VIII T-54 prototype. The production T-54's start with T-54-1.

 

As for the Chinese designs, the Sino-Soviet split ensured that the Chinese-made T-54 clones won't be referred to as a 'T-54 variant', because politix.


Edited by mttspiii, 20 August 2017 - 01:26 AM.

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far out i have been gone for 10 months and i get back on and go for a game in what was my favorite medium tank the T-54 and i cant even pen the lower plate pf a JP-E100 from below it i mean whats the go there among other things the T-54 just aint what she used to be, what did you do to my baby wargaming? why the nerf :'(

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View PostJohnnyCoraki, on 06 July 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

far out i have been gone for 10 months and i get back on and go for a game in what was my favorite medium tank the T-54 and i cant even pen the lower plate pf a JP-E100 from below it i mean whats the go there among other things the T-54 just aint what she used to be, what did you do to my baby wargaming? why the nerf :'(

 

They changed guns basically. The low pen better handling and more accurate gun became the higher pen more accurate gun but with an actual DPM penalty. Probably depends which gun you had.

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View PostJohnnyCoraki, on 06 July 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

far out i have been gone for 10 months and i get back on and go for a game in what was my favorite medium tank the T-54 and i cant even pen the lower plate pf a JP-E100 from below it i mean whats the go there among other things the T-54 just aint what she used to be, what did you do to my baby wargaming? why the nerf :'(

 

They buffed it, there was no nerf.

 

 

 

 






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