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DeadArashi #1 Posted 17 August 2017 - 05:23 AM

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I really didn't know if I should put this thread here in the British HT sub-forum, in the British TD sub-forum, in the Player Suggestions sub-forum or in the Gameplay Discussions sub-forum... But I'll put here for now. It might not get as much attention here but at least it won't get lost and forgotten in the Player Suggestions or Gameplay Discussions.

 

As many people should be aware by now WG is slowly changing tier 8 to 10 tanks so that they all conform to a similar play-style. The addition of the VK100.01, Mauscchen and Pz.Kpfw VII for the Germans saw two lines with similare playstyle appear, the French are having their TDs changed into 120mm auto-loaders in 9.20. And in 9.20.1 the British FV215b heavy tank will be swapped out for the "Super Conqueror".

 

But fans of the FV215b should fear not for the tank will not be completely removed, just made into a special premium for those that already own it. But it got me thinking; It's a fake tank but it's still going to be there in the game, but what if it could still be used for something? There's another problem tier 10 that plays nothing like the tier 8 and 9 in the British tech tree... the FV215b (183). Let's face it, we have a tier 8 and 9 casement TD with accurate, rapid firing guns. Completely different to the semi-turreted high alpha, partially inaccurate gun of the FV215b (183).

 

So what could be done to make the FV215b and FV215b (183) fit into the tech tree?

 

I should add that this whole idea can only work if a suitable replacement for the FV215b (183) can be found to place at tier 10 after the Tortoise,

 

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I should quickly add that all the modules on the HTs here are based off 9.20.1 supertest and my suggestions towards it.

 

The possibility to me is to re-purpose the FV215b into a tier 9 TD "FV215". It's not the first time a tier 10 HT would become a tier 9 TD, take the American T30 for example. The thought process is pretty simple, while the FV215 tanks are both rear turreted, they play very similarly already and are based off the chassis of the FV201, the same chassis the Caernarvon and Conqueror are based off.

 

I'm sure some people are wondering what that "FV215b Test Rig" turret in there is... that's my own little creation. I got interested in the possibility of a cross between the Conqueror and FV215b (183) turrets and came up with this "prototype" design... It's 100% fake but that's fine since the FV215b is a fake tank to begin with.

 

So what would this FV215b Test Rig turret look like you ask? 

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The thinking is for the FV215 turret to be fully traversing, the FV215b Test Rig would have 180 deg (+/- 90) turret traverse while the FV215B (183) would keep the the 90 deg (+/- 45) turret traverse. This way it builds you up to the limited turret traverse.

 

And that about does it and I'll summarize the points here

 

  • FV215b replaced by Super Conqueror
  • FV215b split into two vehicles: premium tier 10 HT for current owners and tech tree tier 9 TD "FV215"

 

But like I said, this whole idea relies on the availability of a tier 10 TD replacement to go after the Tortoise. Although they may just decide to put a buffed Tortoise there instead. Who knows really.

 

But I would love to know what people think about this


Edited by DeadArashi, 16 September 2017 - 05:34 PM.


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Or put the FV215B as the tier X, same way T95 leads to E3.

 

The more famous (or actually built) tanks tend to be tier IX after all: T-54, T95, Tortoise, T30, Conqueror, M103, Foch...

There are exceptions: the Maus, the Europanzer projects, and the AMX 50B


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Care to explain a bit better? I'm coding so my minds a mess right now. That and we're technically working with two FV215b's which doesnt help my brain :amazed:

 

The way I interperated that was to put the FV215b heavy tank at tier 10 after the FV215b (183) at tier 9. The opposite to how I proposed. Am I right in this understanding?


Edited by DeadArashi, 17 August 2017 - 12:25 PM.


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My bad, didn't realize this is an HT thread. I thought you were proposing putting the 120mm gun as an alternative gun on the FV215B (183) TD, to continue Tortoise's gameplay of rapid-fire high-DPM assault TD's.

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View PostDeadArashi, on 17 August 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

I should add that this whole idea can only work if a suitable replacement for the FV215b (183) can be found to place at tier 10 after the Tortoise,

 

And apparently there's now a replacement for the FV215b (183) in the works with the FV potentially following the Foch 155 and the FV215b into turning into special tanks

 

The replacement is apparently meant to be the FV205 or FV217. The gun doesn't appear to be the 120mm we know on other British tanks but I doubt that it's the 183mm either. My money is it being the 5.5" gun planned for the 9.20.1 Conway. I could be wrong though.

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I mean, as much as I would like one of my suggestions to make it into the game I highly doubt it but with this the possibility is certainly there regardless of how slim the chance is


Edited by DeadArashi, 15 September 2017 - 08:41 AM.


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View PostDeadArashi, on 15 September 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

View PostDeadArashi, on 17 August 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

I should add that this whole idea can only work if a suitable replacement for the FV215b (183) can be found to place at tier 10 after the Tortoise,

 

And apparently there's now a replacement for the FV215b (183) in the works with the FV potentially following the Foch 155 and the FV215b into turning into special tanks

 

The replacement is apparently meant to be the FV205. The gun doesn't appear to be the 120mm we know on other British tanks but I doubt that it's the 183mm either. My money is it being the 5.5" gun planned for the 9.20.1 Conway

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I mean, as much as I would like one of my suggestions to make it into the game I highly doubt it but with this the possibility is certainly there regardless of how slim the chance is

 

Good. Because it sucks.

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Edited by Bluefunk, 15 September 2017 - 08:41 AM.


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View PostDeadArashi, on 15 September 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

The replacement is apparently meant to be the FV205 or FV217. The gun doesn't appear to be the 120mm we know on other British tanks but I doubt that it's the 183mm either. My money is it being the 5.5" gun planned for the 9.20.1 Conway. I could be wrong though.

 

Pretty sure you're right. I recall the FV3809 was planned to have a 155mm gun, but different machine. I could see WG giving it the 5.5" and making it the high DPM TD.


Edited by Jarms, 16 September 2017 - 05:06 PM.


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Good work on this proposed tech tree change.

In fact I love it, now I can go up to the FV215B (183) too (I long wanted to research this line but I just can't go thru all those TDs before it and I don't want to use my Free XPs on TDs).

 

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(I also get to keep my FV215B - A big deal for me since this would be my first Tier X special tank)

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Personally I think the name FV215A should be changed to FV215B Test-Rig, or something similar. As the FV215A was a mine-clearing AVRE. 

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View PostJarms, on 16 September 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Personally I think the name FV215A should be changed to FV215B Test-Rig, or something similar. As the FV215A was a mine-clearing AVRE. 

 

valid point. Made changes to suit

 

  • changed FV215 tracks to FV214 tracks
  • renamed FV215a tracks to FV215b TR
  • renamed FV215 turret to Conqueror Mk II
  • renamed FV215a turret to FV215b TR


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It is a shame that WG are just going to exchange the FV215b 183 for the new tank, it is a tank that I would have liked to have unlocked /bought but as many state, going down that TD line is too tedious and costly with too few rewards.

 

They could of done something with the Churchill GC TD at tier 7 , at the moment I guess almost nobody unlocks or uses that tank, if they could have found something at tier 8 as a cross-over and then used the FV215b tier 9 and the 183 at tier X it might have enticed me to grind it.

 

Not that I wish that current 183 owners don't recieve the same deal as the proposed FV215b.. I just think that WG could have kept both tanks in the game in a different line.

 

 


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add french HTs to that graph, they are finally bringing the line now after 5 years. 

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View PostSir_British, on 17 September 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

They could of done something with the Churchill GC TD at tier 7

 

We could add the FV4401 Contentious at tier 7 after the Churchill GC, then at tier 8 you could place the FV205 in a rear casement configuration since a rear casement to rear turret is easier to play into then front casement to rear turret. So the line would then look something like:

 

 

and this works nicely since the FV205 was planned on the hull of the FV200 hull which the Conqueror is based off (and, consequently, so are the FV215b tanks)

 

I would also suggest that the tier 9 FV215 get the Conqueror hull off the FV215b (183) instead of the modified hull it currently has. If the let people keep the FV215b as a tier 10 HT for those that already own it then the hull can stay as it is on that



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It's hard to tell if the FV205, or FV217, is the vehicle WG are planning to use at tier 10. Either the first image is mislabelled, but the vehicle looks very similar to the one in the second image. So making it a rear casemate may not work, depends on the research that comes out as the patch approaches. 

 

Personally, I'd drop the Churchill GC to tier V. Which would instantly make its armour and mobility, or lack-there-of, more bearable. You could then remove the 32-pdr as that would probably be overkill at that tier. You could then replace it with either the:

 

Tier VI: 

- Sexton AT Gun: with either 3" AA gun, 3.7" AA gun, or 17-pdr

- Crusader AT Gun: with 17-pdr

- Ram 3.7" AT Gun: with 3.7" AA gun

 

Tier VII:

- FV303: with 20-pdr 

- Taurus: with auto-loading 17-pdr

 

Tier VIII:

- Contentious: with either 20-pdr, or L7 105mm

- could have siege mode like the Swedish TD's as it also has hydraulic elevation control

- Comres 75: with 20-pdr 

- gun is externally mounted


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Gonna be honest, not really happy with either extended suggestions, it just feels... forced. Might just be me though.

 

I don't like the idea of going from a HT based TD into LT/MT based TDs then ending in HT based TDs again... all while switching between casement and turreted.

 

We could make some "what if tanks" to make it work, only 2 would be needed.

  • Drop the Churchill GC to tier 5
  • create a Black Prince GC to go at tier 6
  • FV3807 JagdChieftain at tier 7
  • Rear turreted Cearnarvon at tier 8

 

The JagdChieftain would be questionable, the armor is fine (118mm of sloped aluminium on the constructed prototype. But it was meant to be armed with a 120mm gun.)

 

The rear turreted Cearnarvon would then also be a logical build into the FV215b at tier 9

 

All this being a less then historical sollution



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View PostDeadArashi, on 17 September 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

We could add the FV4401 Contentious at tier 7 after the Churchill GC, then at tier 8 you could place the FV205 in a rear casement configuration since a rear casement to rear turret is easier to play into then front casement to rear turret. So the line would then look something like:

 

 

and this works nicely since the FV205 was planned on the hull of the FV200 hull which the Conqueror is based off (and, consequently, so are the FV215b tanks)

 

I would also suggest that the tier 9 FV215 get the Conqueror hull off the FV215b (183) instead of the modified hull it currently has. If they let people keep the FV215b as a tier 10 HT for those that already own it then the hull can stay as it is on that

 

they stated that the FV215b wasn't popular due to its awkward fighting style, which was cumbersome especially to players not used to rear turret tanks and hadn't experienced the VKB or Obj 416, and I'd argue those tanks can pull that off better than the FV215b

so having a separate HT (or TD) branch of mostly rear mounted turret tanks would make sense, as it could help prepare for that kind of gameplay 


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Indeed, but it feels like a bit of a waste of a model to suddenly stop offering it as a regular tank. The Foch change was one thing because it was the same tank with different guns.

 

The FV215 tanks are different though since the models are completely different to the planed replavements. Personally I have no issue with adjusting my playstyle to suit tabks but I understand that not everyone can adjust easily.

 

I also understand that some people would want both of these tanks but might not be able to unlock them so keeping them in the game as a mini-TD branch benefits everyone and wouldnt require much extra work from WG to implement.

 

I have both FV215s and its a bit sad that some people may never be able to experience them first hand



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View PostDeadArashi, on 21 September 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

Indeed, but it feels like a bit of a waste of a model to suddenly stop offering it as a regular tank. The Foch change was one thing because it was the same tank with different guns.

 

The FV215 tanks are different though since the models are completely different to the planned replacements. Personally, I have no issue with adjusting my playstyle to suit tanks but I understand that not everyone can adjust easily.

 

I also understand that some people would want both of these tanks but might not be able to unlock them so keeping them in the game as a mini-TD branch benefits everyone and wouldn't require much extra work from WG to implement.

 

I have both FV215s and it's a bit sad that some people may never be able to experience them first hand

 

A lot of people also never experience the WTFE100

Personally, I never experienced the FV4202 as a tier X. 

 

The FV215b will retain its role as that DPM heavy tank, and judging from what I've seen the Super Conqueror seems like a British T110E5. It's not as blatantly OP as the Foch B, but the Super Conqueror will at least be more comfortable and familiar to play for players graduating from the tier IX Conqueror, rather than having to learn how to play a rear-mounted turret tank that was/is the FV215b.

 

If WG would just remove the sidescraping weakspot on the FV215b it would be such a improvement.


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blatantly OP as the Foch B

 

Hardly blatantly OP when the enemy has TVP that can blatantly auto lock on the viewfinder and land all shots at close range while moving horizontally along the ridgeline.


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