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TD1 #41 Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:32 AM

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View PostForbiddenSabre, on 09 September 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

Tbh the tier 8 Chinese Prem TD is basically an upturned Su-122-44 and is probably pretty OP if you loved the tier 7 one. I for 1 probably won't be able to make it work since I loathe the Su-122-44 and also having a subpar Chinese TD crew. Furthermore, having to deal with these crappy teams also really make it pretty annoying to play. Like seriously played 10 battles and the only 1 I won was this game lol?
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Though tbh the thing that neutralizes the SU-122-44's absurd capabilities is it's rather steep learning circle; you can't expect the tank to work for you, because you have to make it work. The SU's long range capabilities is limited by weak premium ammo, inadequate penetration, bothersome aim time and mediocre accuracy. It's also got abysmally bad gun depression.

 

I was comparing the WZ1201G FT to the WZ111 1FT tbh, not the SU12244. The 111 is even more difficult to use but quite good if you can make it work. I assume the 6 degree gun depression is better used in the WZ111 1FT because it's gun is high up (see the S35 CA) meaning it can take cover behind a dip/rock, and keep the TD hulldown and use that 271 pen and (iirc) >450 alpha as well as the 240mm effective UFP (same effective thickness as the 120G FT).

 

Like I said, different roles.



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View PostTD1, on 09 September 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

Though tbh the thing that neutralizes the SU-122-44's absurd capabilities is it's rather steep learning circle; you can't expect the tank to work for you, because you have to make it work. The SU's long range capabilities is limited by weak premium ammo, inadequate penetration, bothersome aim time and mediocre accuracy. It's also got abysmally bad gun depression.

 

I was comparing the WZ1201G FT to the WZ111 1FT tbh, not the SU12244. The 111 is even more difficult to use but quite good if you can make it work. I assume the 6 degree gun depression is better used in the WZ111 1FT because it's gun is high up (see the S35 CA) meaning it can take cover behind a dip/rock, and keep the TD hulldown and use that 271 pen and (iirc) >450 alpha as well as the 240mm effective UFP (same effective thickness as the 120G FT).

 

Like I said, different roles.

Well if I reeeeeeally tried, I think I can make the Su-122-44 work. It's just incredibly frustrating to play because of the crappy gun depression and as a result I don't really play it seriously lol.Though to be frank I've never seen or played the wz 111G FT yet so I'll refrain for commenting for that but as for the Prem TD, I'd say it'll be better if you compare it to the Su-122-44 as its just like you pointed out earlier- comparing and Apple to a pear. Though I'm kinda intrigued by you saying that the wz 111 FT will be harder to play. How do? I think having 6 degrees of gun dep is a huge advantage over the 3 or the prem td.


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View PostForbiddenSabre, on 09 September 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

Well if I reeeeeeally tried, I think I can make the Su-122-44 work. It's just incredibly frustrating to play because of the crappy gun depression and as a result I don't really play it seriously lol.Though to be frank I've never seen or played the wz 111G FT yet so I'll refrain for commenting for that but as for the Prem TD, I'd say it'll be better if you compare it to the Su-122-44 as its just like you pointed out earlier- comparing and Apple to a pear. Though I'm kinda intrigued by you saying that the wz 111 FT will be harder to play. How do? I think having 6 degrees of gun dep is a huge advantage over the 3 or the prem td.

EDIT: Forget it, I wrote this post when I woke up.

 

I'd say not neccesarily more difficult, I think it's just their different stats make different roles for them. WZ-111-1 performs better in long range fighting due to it's excellent pen and damage as well as a faster aim time. The WZ-120-1 performs better as support, following the frontline tanks and offering fire support, because of the superior mobility and trollish armor.

 

The upper casement on the WZ-111-1 has thicker effective armor than the pike nose, at 240mm. That means a Defender shooting AP at the top won't theoretically penetrate.


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Guys, in case anyone missed, there's apparently a Tier 9 version of the WZ-120-1G FT, the WZ-120G FT (why does China use almost similar names I do not know). This version has a 130mm gun.

 

Here's how it compares to the WZ-111G-FT w/152mm gun: https://tanks.gg/compare/wz-111g-ft?t=wz-120g-ft

And here's how it compares to the WZ-111G-FT w/130mm gun: https://tanks.gg/compare/wz-111g-ft?t=wz-120g-ft

 

 As for how they match up, it's the same like their T8 brethren: WZ-111G-FT has better raw firepower (especially with the 152mm gun) and gun handling (unlike the WZ-111-1 FT at T8, this one loses less accuracy while moving, traversing, after firing, compared to the premium WZ-120-1G FT) while the WZ-120-1G FT performs better in DPM and mobility areas. Again, almost the same gameplay as T8. 

 

Of note is that the T9 WZ-120-1G FT is actually less armored (effective values) at around 200mm effective armor while the WZ-111-1G can reach up to 240mm at least. Of course, take this with care because I'm not that good of an examiner/analyzer when it comes to armor values.


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Honestly the amount of double triple posting in this thread is dope...

 

I'm grinding the SU-76G FT right now (on 76mm gun). Unfortunately, the teams right now are pretty nope, and my crew is only at 75% which means losses are not far in between and certainly not few either. The gun depression on this Chinese SU-76 is bad too; though I have been using this tank to deal with bad-gun-dep tanks in hull-down positions.

 

Somehow, I still need to get to grips with sidescraping. Had this game where I sidescraped against a T-34-85M, and he still manages to pen me to death. I was driving a T-150 (fully upgraded but no equipment) btw.

 

EDIT: I still cannot wait for the Chinese SU-122-44/ WZ-120-1G FT/ Mao's Sickle. Come on, I'm not patient! lol.


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Yeah guys, I hate doing this but there's little choice.

Does anyone else think that the MM has some sort of diabolical love for the US M6 Heavy Tank (tier 6 one, not the ultra-rare Tier 8 one)? I've never gotten a T6-max game, and instead got into T7-max or (even worse) T8-max match. While I only have the M1A2 76mm gun. Predictably, I struggle to make big impacts in games especially with my skill level.

On a positive note, I've recently elited the T-150 (wow, didn't even realize I was that close to the KV-3, lol) and I am looking to elite the KV-1s (yeah srsly why the 3.5 gun dep wg y u no serious), and the Wolverine. Probably also get the upcoming T8 Chinese TD, or maybe the AT-15A, Panther 88, AMX M4 49. Waiting for those sales!

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View PostTD1, on 17 September 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

Yeah guys, I hate doing this but there's little choice.

Does anyone else think that the MM has some sort of diabolical love for the US M6 Heavy Tank (tier 6 one, not the ultra-rare Tier 8 one)? I've never gotten a T6-max game, and instead got into T7-max or (even worse) T8-max match. While I only have the M1A2 76mm gun. Predictably, I struggle to make big impacts in games especially with my skill level.

On a positive note, I've recently elited the T-150 (wow, didn't even realize I was that close to the KV-3, lol) and I am looking to elite the KV-1s (yeah srsly why the 3.5 gun dep wg y u no serious), and the Wolverine. Probably also get the upcoming T8 Chinese TD, or maybe the AT-15A, Panther 88, AMX M4 49. Waiting for those sales!

 

Couldn't say about the M6 as I'm still on the T1 Heavy :P I'm taking my sweet time on that line. Also just fully upgraded my KV-1S in yesterday's session so it won't be long until that's finally elited too (maybe 2 months or so at my current rate of playing heavies). I've finally switched to using the derp on that thing, as much as I hate to admit it. I just couldn't get the 85mm to work well; it's quite inaccurate, and pen isn't really there as most of the time I'd bounce even with gold. Shoot at weak spots? Yeah, I try, but it's the accuracy issue again, so I figured since I'm going to miss those weak spots anyway I may as well just pack the derp gun instead, at least with HE it's going to do some damage even if I hit hard armour.

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View PostSir_Direkin, on 17 September 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Couldn't say about the M6 as I'm still on the T1 Heavy :P I'm taking my sweet time on that line. Also just fully upgraded my KV-1S in yesterday's session so it won't be long until that's finally elited too (maybe 2 months or so at my current rate of playing heavies). I've finally switched to using the derp on that thing, as much as I hate to admit it. I just couldn't get the 85mm to work well; it's quite inaccurate, and pen isn't really there as most of the time I'd bounce even with gold. Shoot at weak spots? Yeah, I try, but it's the accuracy issue again, so I figured since I'm going to miss those weak spots anyway I may as well just pack the derp gun instead, at least with HE it's going to do some damage even if I hit hard armour.

Idk, it might just be my 100% crew. My KV-1S with the 85mm is somehow crazy good at snapshotting. Still, 3.5 gun dep is horrible.

 

And the M6, somehow they tracked me on an open field in Westfield, where I'm exposed and my side armor is pointing straight at some nasty guns, and they still manage to miss. I died to a Strv S1, but I still LMAOed at their incompetence.



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Doubleposting again....

Does anyone know when is the Asian server going to get the WZ-120-1G FT? I've waited for it long enough and it said that 20th Sept we will get it, but I've not seen it for sale in the Shop anywhere...

Oh well. Might as well get the T-34-3 otherwise.

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View PostTD1, on 21 September 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

Oh well. Might as well get the T-34-3 otherwise.

The early bird gets an early pref worm that struggles in the current meta. The patient bird gets a far better and likely to be pretty broken OP worm.


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View PostEzz, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The early bird gets an early pref worm that struggles in the current meta. The patient bird gets a far better and likely to be pretty broken OP worm.

 

Still, I'm curious because theoretically we should have the WZ-120-1G FT for sale already today, but no trace of it so far. I wanted the T-34-3 to grind my Type T-34 crew with, because playing without 100% crew on the Type T-34 is just horrible.

 

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-I've always been surprised at how well the KV-1S performs when snapshotting with the 85mm S-31 gun. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'm 5k exp away from the KV-85. 

-I was going to buy the ISU-122S, but considering I already have the SU-122-44 and I'm no further than the SU-100, which only needs 4 crew and not 5 (and I only have the 100mm D10S on the SU-100 so it's not getting elited anytime soon), which turned me off of that thing.

 

-Speaking of which, does anyone else think that the 85mm D5T-85BM gun on the SU-100 needs a buff to 175 pen? I'd like to have a choice of three guns to use on that thing, just like the KV-1 (which has an 85mm, 57mm and 122mm derpgun), but this could have serious implications to SU-85 drivers using that gun.

 

-My thesis is that Wargaming simply needs to make the Obj.252U and the Chrysler K GF Tier 10 premiums. This will, in my eyes, solve the issue of prems being better than equivalent tech tree counterparts because they will have to compete with tougher competition (only partially solves the issue but better than nothing), and give players ease of access (relatively) to get to a Grand/Ranked Battle. Want to join? Either pay or grind your T10 tanks. The only downside I know of this aspect is that it opens up T10 to a can of worms... wallet warriors who can suddenly contaminate T10 by simply paying for a tank.

 

-Why can't WG open up Grand Battles to lower tiers (I wanted them to open up to T3 personally)? That could probably solve the issue of no Grand Battles that has been going since 9.20, and will probably give lower tier players, who I think have been forgotten long, something to cheer up on.

 



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Double posting:

 

I've not seen as many IS-4s on my 5-year lifetime as a WoT player, but I've seen more IS-7s. Is there a reason the IS-7 is more popular or what? Maybe the IS-7 just looks badass?



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I just got the WZ-120-1 FT, and here's my short thoughts on it:

 

It's aimtime is annoying (though keep in mind this is with a crew of around 80-90% and no GLD, but with vents), but it has acceptable pen (I even penned an ST-1 head on with normal AP ammo), good mobility and acceptable pen (although I prefer crazy-pen TDs like the same-tier WZ-111-1 FT which has 271 with the 130mm gun). Gun depression is better but still lousy, and the low profile plus middling gun placement prevents it from going hull-down. It plays a lot like the SU-122-44 I must say, and is basically a Type 59 with a better gun but no turret, no pref mm. I'm using this to train my SU-76G FT crew; there's no guarantee I will proceed forward to the 60G FT because it just looks silly.

 

Armor is kinda trollish; if you drive around and expect to bounce you're not living long. But expect most guns below 200-220mm of pen (like the fearsome D-25T 122mm) to bounce if they don't aim for lower plate.  

 

Next, I'm probably aiming for the Skorpion G, but as a student with limited budget (this purchase I can sustain because I have quite some savings) I don't think taking two big blows within one day of each other to my funds is a good idea. Perhaps I'll aim for the Pudel or the AT-15A....

 

Also, does anyone here have the eye for an eye medal (destroy an enemy just as he destroys you)? I got both of mine in two of the mid-tier turreted American TD's, the Jackson and Wolverine. I got mine in the Jackson some months ago on El Halluf, while the Wolverine one was just last night when I took out an M4 Sherman just as he derped me.


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View PostTD1, on 04 October 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

Also, does anyone here have the eye for an eye medal (destroy an enemy just as he destroys you)? I got both of mine in two of the mid-tier turreted American TD's, the Jackson and Wolverine. I got mine in the Jackson some months ago on El Halluf, while the Wolverine one was just last night when I took out an M4 Sherman just as he derped me.

 

I have 18 apparently. I think most of those were in mediums.

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Apparently WG has elected to grant me access to the Sandbox server, after half a year of a waiting period. I dunno, maybe I'll get a taste of Frontline mode?

 

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Well, looks like 2017 is almost over folks. I'll be, it's been almost 3-4 months since I last played this game. I've been over in [some other game not worth mentioning] (loving their aircraft battle, I in fact just got on a shopping spree following the Christmas Sale, getting 2 German prems, a Soviet prem, 2 US Prems, and 2 [Japanese] prems (all aircraft), though sadly I already own all non-bundle Italian prems).

 

Cheers though, I may return in January or before that to this game!



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Okay, so I finally decided to ditch that other game (getting killed by BnZing aircraft is sooooo frustrating) and got back here.

 

I've only had three games today, in the WZ-120-1G FT (why oh why does Chinese tanks have names so complicated????) and the Jagdpanzer IV. The first one was rather unremarkable, because I was a bit too shy to step out in front and instead stayed hidden for like 75% of the game. On the other hand, the second one had an amusing moment when we were swarming the lone remaining IS-6. A bunch of light tanks, scared of the 122mm pointing their way, didn't crest the ridge towards him so I did it for them, taking the bullet to allow them to advance (also knocking out my engine. They didn't, but the shot was wasted on me and the IS-6 got into deep trouble since he doesn't reload quickly iirc. What's funny is he decided to shoot me again, and missed but hit and killed the unfortunate guy behind me. Or did he aim for him instead? idk.

 

Anyway, I sold my AT2 and let the crew enjoy their tea in the barracks due to that armor nerf. I plan on getting the AT8 sometime in the future.



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Update: I've started trying livestreaming and/or uploading videos to Youtube (in fact, I already have a couple on my channels already, though it's just me testing the waters by playing C&C Generals Zero Hour (Shockwave Mod) and taking roughly 45 minutes to complete a round of Generals' Challenge, so don't expect much) and I might try to stream/record WoT. Then again, I'm only at 47% WR so don't expect much from a half-noob hahahaha.

 

Speaking of which, I've noticed that the WoT fanbase seems a bit.... hard to placate. Just about every concept, every update, everything about this game is hotly debated and derided. Arty, premium tanks, maps, half-fake tanks, you name it, everything has a hot debate going back and forth between pro and contra. Am I really the only one who chooses to stay away and enjoy the game just like normal business? If I get killed and/or lose, it's probably my own fault. Not the fault of arty, not the fault of OP tanks (exception for the Chrysler or the 252u, there's a certain catharsis factor in seeing them get killed especially if I dealt the death blow), not the fault of gold ammo, not the fault of anyone but myself. At least, that's my theoretic philosophy. 






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