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9.20.1 - Meet the new Tier X British HT that replaces the FV215b, the Super Conqueror


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LupisVolk #21 Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:59 AM

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View PostEzz, on 13 September 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

The juan juan 4 seems the outlier here. The T54 it makes perfect sense as that thing is probably the most expensive 9 to run. Maybe if they lowered the conq's AP pen it would become more of a sprem spammer, more expensive to run and hence WG would leave the 215b there.

 

Or you know as that little Mexican girl says. "Why not have both?"

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View Postjessica_raven, on 12 September 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Logic i see behind this move is, to force gold spending. If Foch155 and FV215 stay in tree, ppl wont rush or spend gold for free xp to get it, since its no longer a special tanks. Other than that, I cant think of any reason to pull it of.

 

Like there is any other reason to do this kind of swap really. Of course they can say FV215B is not historical yadda so it can't stay on the tech tree yadda, but basic reasoning is to force player to speed-grind this tank.

AND THEY SUCCEED. I know from personal experience, from mistaken assumption this swap will come on 9.20 *sob*.

 

....now I really need a british HT trainer. Any suggestion?



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Nobody wanted FV215 last time.

 

Now suddenly everybody wants it.



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View PostLupisVolk, on 13 September 2017 - 05:38 AM, said:

So why is China allowed to have two options for heavy tanks but no one else is allowed? WTH! This needs to stop. The Super Conq should be added as a second option and the FV should be kept.

 

Let's not forget that Australians and New Zealanders are still suffering from the cut cable. This is down right dirty WG.

 

This update needs to be put on hold and the FV and Super Conq NEED to be options. Just stop with removing content.

 

Because both of those tanks were wanted by the people?


Meverick #25 Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:47 AM

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I am glad SEA got the first notice about it, thanks Elphaba. 

 

On the otherhand, WG's business strategy over time has been turning gradually from fair to greed which makes me wonder if WG is probably quickly loosing its reputation which it has earned through all these years. I think its past now that it was not only a truly enjoyable game expereince but also customer expereince. 



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View PostEzz, on 13 September 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

The T54 it makes perfect sense as that thing is probably the most expensive 9 to run.

 

I'm wondering, why T-54/55A is famous as a goldspammer? some even nicknamed it 'HEAT-54/55A'. just why? low standard pen? 201mm for D-10T2 gun and 218mm for D-54 gun? they're enough I guess...

 

HEAT-54 not expensive if you make it as AP-54. I do pretty well in it even without HEAT. in fact, I never load gold rounds for grinding.

the recent buff to D-54 gun make it almost similar to Ob.140 in terms of gun stability, armor and mobility.

 

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View PostBluefunk, on 13 September 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

Because both of those tanks were wanted by the people?

 

People still wanted the 155 but that went away, people wanted the aweful panzer....poof it sent. Tier 10 could do with having more. So why is it so hard for them to just keep it in?

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View PostGani_GANz, on 13 September 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

 

I'm wondering, why T-54/55A is famous as a goldspammer? some even nicknamed it 'HEAT-54/55A'. just why? low standard pen? 201mm for D-10T2 gun and 218mm for D-54 gun? they're enough I guess...

 

HEAT-54 not expensive if you make it as AP-54. I do pretty well in it even without HEAT. in fact, I never load gold rounds for grinding.

the recent buff to D-54 gun make it almost similar to Ob.140 in terms of gun stability, armor and mobility.

 

The cause-and-effect is pretty convoluted...

 

But, T-54 is a an OP tank. So lots of good/"good" players drive it even after eliting. And T-55A is owned by only good/"good" players. And good/"good" players run full gold regardless of tank.

 

Plus, tanks are balanced by various aspects. T-54 is good at everything apart from pen. So if you run gold to negate its weakness it becomes OP. Same goes for T-34-3, SuperPershing, Excelsior... and 112 with 250mm penetration is worse for game balance than Defender



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View PostOtakubouzu, on 13 September 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

....now I really need a british HT trainer. Any suggestion?

Tog is on sale now, get it fast :P


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View Postjessica_raven, on 13 September 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

Tog is on sale now, get it fast :P

 

Already have ToG and oh for every holy deities, i can't stand how slow is it.
....well i gonna use it for now until something a bit better appear.



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View PostBluefunk, on 13 September 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

The cause-and-effect is pretty convoluted...

 

But, T-54 is a an OP tank. So lots of good/"good" players drive it even after eliting. And T-55A is owned by only good/"good" players. And good/"good" players run full gold regardless of tank.

 

Plus, tanks are balanced by various aspects. T-54 is good at everything apart from pen. So if you run gold to negate its weakness it becomes OP. Same goes for T-34-3, SuperPershing, Excelsior... and 112 with 250mm penetration is worse for game balance than Defender

Partially this. Tho I won't bother with the bluey opinions.

 

AP pen on the preferred gun (well until recently where there is a bit more choice) was worst in class, also horrible credit value given their cost and damage out put. While the heat round was best or close to best in class so the increase in price was far more worthwhile (c.f. some tanks that gain little pen but still cost substantially more).

 

 


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You need a British crew trainer to train crew for what?


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View PostOtakubouzu, on 13 September 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

 

....now I really need a british HT trainer. Any suggestion?

 

There is a British HT trainer alright. It's an overtiered tank with no armor, no speed to speak of, it's turret is barely useable for hull down and to top it off it can't use it's somewhat fast reload for peek and shoot properly due to poor reverse. It's the forgotten FV201 (A45). Poor tank, almost no one ever remembers or even plays.


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When an enemy Arty "one shots" 2 of your teams' heavies and you're in a heavy tank, you know you're screwed.

A heavy tank should have armor and a big gun, if you don't have either then you're not.


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I find it rather amusing that two of the more iconic british tanks (church and cent) are offered as prems for the russians and swedes, but not for the pomms.

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View PostiDd_Sloth, on 13 September 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

 

There is a British HT trainer alright. It's an overtiered tank with no armor, no speed to speak of, it's turret is barely useable for hull down and to top it off it can't use it's somewhat fast reload for peek and shoot properly due to poor reverse. It's the forgotten FV201 (A45). Poor tank, almost no one ever remembers or even plays.

 

And its not even available in premium store.

 

I wonder if i should get Excelsior for now. 

 

 

 


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Actually, all Brits prem HT are like rare pokemon now. Cant remember when the last time ive met them. A45 are harder to met than Type 59, and Tog are as ded as its meme.

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I'd say Excelsior > FV201 > TOG at least so far as grinding experience in the current meta goes.

 

The TOG will certainly give you some memorable games thanks to its unique qualities, but you'll have to play a lot of forgettable ones too.



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Again what's so special about China that they get access to two tier 10 heavy tanks? Why can't the British line also get that option?

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I suspect the search for logic in WG decisions will prove folly. And let's face it, any explanations they do give are hilariously inconsistent anyway.

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View PostEzz, on 13 September 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

I suspect the search for logic in WG decisions will prove folly. And let's face it, any explanations they do give are hilariously inconsistent anyway.

 

I mean with how few tier 10's there are and with the introduction of 30v30 wouldn't it benefit the game and 30v30 if there was more options at tier 10 aside from new nations and tech lines?

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