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Elphaba #1 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:27 AM

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Really soon we plan to test the changes of the Soviet branch of MT tanks of Object 430 – we move vehicles of Tier IX and X to lower tiers, remove MT-8 and add new top tank – Object 430U. And we also upgrade A-44, the one on Tier VII.

 

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Why do we do that? We are making successive gameplay on Tiers VII-X, upgrading weak vehicles and actualizing the branch. The main goal of all changes – to form a branch of Medium tanks with good front armor, mobile, with low silhouette and higher alpha-damage. That’s why we plan to get rid of Object 416 – the vehicle is nor armored enough and intend to have TD-like gameplay, if to compare with other tanks of the branch. Object 430 and Object 430 Version II will be moved to Tiers IX and VIII with the corresponding characteristics changes. Both of the vehicles will get new 122-mm gun.

 

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Important! The changes mentioned above are not final and are subject to change after the Super test. Stay tuned!



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Thanks Elph.

 

Quick question Elph, can you pass along a question around the new 122mms - the guard gets 0.32 base accuracy on its 122mm while these seem to get 0.4 at best. Is this an oversight or are the balancers doing this knowingly?


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Profanisaurus #3 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:31 AM

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mmm... 416 has TD like gameplay... there is no tier 8 Russian Premium TD.

 

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DeadArashi #4 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

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I have an issue with this in that the change doesn't make much sense to me. You  currently have a tier 7, 8 and 9 that are all rear-turret with the tier 10 being the odd one out. So you want to change it so that the tier 7 and 8 are out of place for being rear turreted...

 

This to me isn't logical considering the FV215b is being taken out of the tech tree because it doesn't play like the tier 8 and 9 for the British so the natural conclusion should be to change out the Obj 430 so that the whole line can be rear-turreted.

 

Part of me wants to say that WG just didn't have the foresight when they made this decision, just like how they didn't have foresight when deciding on the alternative French HT line. They have a tier 8 tank that they sold as a premium that would fit the line better. Had they used the STG in this line they could have had tier 7 to 10 all rear turreted and having the same playstyle, not this where it's jumping from center to rear then back to center mounted turret

 

 

Too late for logic now, just like the French HT line. Well played WG, well played.


Edited by DeadArashi, 16 October 2017 - 11:40 AM.


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Well they did change team members... the previous team said that premium tanks should not be as good as the silver tanks, the current team said that premium tanks need to be as good.

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I think you are coming at this wrong and actually listening to the party line.

 

What it should say is:

We have evaluated that currently people are not converting enough Free XP using gold and paying to jump the object 430 line.  To fix this situation we will create a new Object 430 that is overly competitive for a period of time to make sure people spend lots of real cash to be all Metaed up then we will nerf it once we are confident we have milked all we can,

 

This is a proven business model and follows on from our very successful campaigns with the T110E5, The Maus, The Type 5 Heavy and most recently the IS-7.

 

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 16 October 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Well they did change team members... the previous team said that premium tanks should not be as good as the silver tanks, the current team said that premium tanks need to be better.

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Hmm....Obj 430 pen 238 on standard and 248 on prem, No purpose in firing premium then...

 

The pen isn't bad, but there is no reason to fire prem unless you're at long range and it's HEAT.

 

but all is subject to change...so let's see.


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One wonders at the stronk logic of making prem rounds crap without addressing all the armored behemoths that can't be penned with standard ammo. I suspect it will turn out similar to the farcical t100lt's prem ammo.

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DeadArashi #10 Posted 24 December 2017 - 02:58 PM

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WG Fest

 The upcoming revision will form three MT lines, each built around a certain gameplay style.

  • A new mini-line researchable from the T-44: The Object 430 will move down to Tier IX, making room for the Object 430U (Tier X) and forming a new mini-line of well-armored assault MTs with high alpha.
  • MTs with rear-mounted turrets: The Object 416 stays at Tier VIII, followed by the Object 430 Variant II at Tier IX and an all-new Tier X MT with tough turret armor and gameplay that feels like a natural progression up the A-44 line. It will be added after 9.22.
  • Initially, we were planning to remove the Object 416 and build a line from two MTs with rear-mounted followed by another two with traditional turret placement. However, Supertest results and your feedback pushed us to come up with an alternative setup: the A-44 → Object 416 → Object 430 Variant II → New Tier X.
  • Assault MTs down the T-44 line (Т-44, Т-54, Т-62А, Object 140) remain unchanged.

 

 

I'm actually really glad they decided to go this route, I'm sure many people will be please to keep the Obj 416 and even have a new top tier MT. I've honestly got no clue what it could be but if it continues the TD like playstyle of the rest of the rear-turreted line then it should be an interesting addition.



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If I buy a 430 now for 6M creds, then it gets rebalanced to tier 9, will I only get 3M creds?

 

If I buy a 430 now, will I lose 3M credits when 430U comes?

 

Or do I get a free 430U or Obj (new tank after 430 II, so is it Obj 431 or Obj 430 III)?


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I believe if you own the Obj 430 then you get the Obj 430U for free

 

if you haven't unlocked/bought the Obj 430 by the time of the change then you will only be able to get the unknown new tank from the 430 II and will need to grind down the new line for the 430U



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So we can't reach T54 from this line anymore?

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Going off the supertest tech tree image, no

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Why need to downgrade Obj 430 to T9 and create a new Obj 430U? Just upgrade the current obj 430 to obj 430U specifications will do. WoT just want to create more tanks for the sick of having more tanks.

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It's more because the Obj 430 is in a weird spot in that it's got a mid mounted turret in a line of rear turreted tanks.

What this does is allow for the rear turreted MT line to end with a rear turreted MT while also not having 3 tier 10 tanks building off the T-54

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why t54 line can reach to 3 tier X and obj416 can only one? this is unfair

whats a point of removing a path from obj416 to t54?



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View PostDeadArashi, on 24 December 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

 

 

I'm actually really glad they decided to go this route, I'm sure many people will be please to keep the Obj 416 and even have a new top tier MT. I've honestly got no clue what it could be but if it continues the TD like playstyle of the rest of the rear-turreted line then it should be an interesting addition.

 

This arrangement is fair enough.
If i've Obj.430 in my garage, will i get 430U for free or will i've to grind again for it ?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

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So now I need to re-buy and grind xp on the IS, the T-10 and the Obj 430 II to have the full set of USSR stronks? 

bugger, thats a lot of silver

 


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View Postdon_WarDaddy_AVI, on 04 January 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

 

This arrangement is fair enough.
If i've Obj.430 in my garage, will i get 430U for free or will i've to grind again for it ?

 

you will be given the Obj 430 at tier 9 as well as new tier 10 Obj 430U




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