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tlmitf #1 Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:34 PM

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I don't care how many times it has been said, we need to keep saying it until it gets done.

Wargaming - tanks carrying nothing but gold rounds are unbalancing the game, especially in the hands of 'unicums'.
Can we please have the number of gold/premium rounds available to take into a random game limited to a small number?

If  you need some way of justifying this change to the public, you can suggest it is for balance reasons (because it is) or a 'historical' fix, because WWII tank crews had limited access to advanced AP rounds.

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Nerf prem? Not gonna happen. Any prem stuff nerfed will will reduce WG income. Balance are tools to generate income, not to reduce it. At least, thats how I think WG view on this.

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Spot on, revenue means more than balance to wg at this point. 

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MM_is_Broken #4 Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:29 AM

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I will load some extra shells and when i see you in game use them just on you :)

 

I hope you will be in something soft so the gold goes right throught and burns you up

 

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View Posttlmitf, on 09 January 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

I don't care how many times it has been said, we need to keep saying it until it gets done.

Wargaming - tanks carrying nothing but gold rounds are unbalancing the game, especially in the hands of 'unicums'.
Can we please have the number of gold/premium rounds available to take into a random game limited to a small number?

If  you need some way of justifying this change to the public, you can suggest it is for balance reasons (because it is) or a 'historical' fix, because WWII tank crews had limited access to advanced AP rounds.

 

SirFoch had the excellent suggestion of balancing damage accross round types.....

 

E.G; APCR has 15% higher penetration than AP, therefore does 15% less damage

 

But with RNG @ 25% Sprem won't be likely to change

 



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View Postazmania3000, on 10 January 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

E.G; APCR has 15% higher penetration than AP, therefore does 15% less 

 

Isnt this pretty much what WoT Blitz has right now?

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It's what's been suggested regularly since about 2012.

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Grey_Wolfe #8 Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:30 AM

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Increase the cost and nerf the extra pen to 5% on average.

 

Dont think it should be removed, just lessen the effectiveness so that when a silver round meets a +2 tier opponent, have a gold round that has a chance to effectively pen as some silver rounds simply just cant challenge a +2 tier opponent.

 



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I guess they could also consider balancing armor. But armor feeds the need for sprem, hence the revenue, so not going to happen. In fact probably why they've been adding so much armor into the game of late.

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Premium ammunition is a(nother) credit sink in the game. Why would WG want to reduce its effectiveness?

 

The more credits WG drains out of the economy, the more players need to add back into it via:

 

using premium account time

running premium tanks

converting gold

buying credit packs

 

 


Edited by JOC469, 10 January 2018 - 10:29 AM.

 

 


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View Postjessica_raven, on 09 January 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

Nerf prem? Not gonna happen. Any prem stuff nerfed will will reduce WG income. Balance are tools to generate income, not to reduce it. At least, thats how I think WG view on this.

As you can buy them for credits too I can't agree with you. How does WG makes money with gold ammo that one can buy for silver?

 

Many years ago you had to buy them with real money and the community cried for p2w. Then they made it available to buy gold for silver and now we have people spamming gold and make armor mostly useless.

 

I would be happy if they would revert it to the status of the begin where you need real money. WG still would have it's income but gold spamming would be history, except for some people with too much money.

 

Just my opinion..

 

Edit: make a survey/poll and ask who buys gold with real money and I bet my [edited] you guys would be surprised how low the number of people are who buy it for real money.


Edited by GuwapoDuke49th, 10 January 2018 - 10:45 AM.


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View PostGuwapoDuke49th, on 10 January 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

How does WG makes money with gold ammo that one can buy for silver?

 

View PostJOC469, on 10 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

Premium ammunition is a(nother) credit sink in the game. Why would WG want to reduce its effectiveness?

 

The more credits WG drains out of the economy, the more players need to add back into it via:

 

using premium account time

running premium tanks

converting gold

buying credit packs

 

 

 

View PostGuwapoDuke49th, on 10 January 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

Edit: make a survey/poll and ask who buys gold with real money and I bet my [edited] you guys would be surprised how low the number of people are who buy it for real money.

 

Just make the survey on who has a premium account / uses a premium tank.


Edited by Ezz, 10 January 2018 - 10:57 AM.

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Credit sink = need to make more credits = promoting premium time + premium tanks

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tlmitf #14 Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:56 PM

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You cannot use the cost of the ammunition as a balancing factor, their performance in a match needs to be balanced.

WarGaming state a while back that the game was balanced around regular rounds, not premium rounds - therefore tanks loaded up with premium rounds are, in effect, OP.

You cant lower the pen of premium rounds, because then a tier 8 heavy becomes basically ineffective against something like a maus - reducing the damage, or some other method of balancing is the way to go.

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Because according to WG less than 5% of rounds are premium... lol.

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View PostDeadArashi, on 10 January 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

 

Isnt this pretty much what WoT Blitz has right now?

 

Yup, everyone was hoping there'd be some kind of domino effect but that never really panned out

 

View PostEzz, on 10 January 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

Because according to WG less than 5% of rounds are premium... lol.

 

Just make everyone play LT so they can work out how to play with no armour, and use guns that cant pen HT in the face from 500m

 

Nah screw that im gonna ready up my Alpine Tiger and spam HEAT @ everyone


Edited by azmania3000, 10 January 2018 - 01:25 PM.


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View Postazmania3000, on 10 January 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

 

Just make everyone play LT so they can work out how to play with no armour, and use guns that cant pen HT in the face from 500m

 


Oh, like the ru251 that can pen the front of a Mauschen at maximum range?

That one particular tank really gets my back up because of that exact ability. LT's should not be able to pen the front of superheavy HT's at a range beyond what that HT can fight back at.


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View Posttlmitf, on 09 January 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

I don't care how many times it has been said, we need to keep saying it until it gets done.

Wargaming - tanks carrying nothing but gold rounds are unbalancing the game, especially in the hands of 'unicums'.
Can we please have the number of gold/premium rounds available to take into a random game limited to a small number?

If  you need some way of justifying this change to the public, you can suggest it is for balance reasons (because it is) or a 'historical' fix, because WWII tank crews had limited access to advanced AP rounds.

 

​I do agree with you but 2 things.

 

1) as others have already stated, WG approach to monetisation thus far (and seems unlikely to change any time soon) seems to preserve premium rounds in their current state as a holy cow not to be touched. Any nerf or limit to their usage will directly or indirectly cost them revenue.
 

2) There are a few tanks that have been (mis?-)balanced around premium ammo being their practical default loadout. In order to sell a nerf or limitation of premium round usage those tanks would need rebalancing with probably a buff for their standard AP pen or in some cases mobility stats. A good example of this is the T54e1 which has terrible standard pen and is also big (I mean huge for a medium, it's bigger than many high tier heavies), fat, slow and with quite poor armour aside from some troll angles. Its 4 shot clip potential and interclip is great but you then have to wait 30 seconds before being able to fire again. It is no wonder that just about everyone runs them with full premium loads under those conditions and blows 10's of thousands of silver every match they play. To an extent you can work around poor pen if you are small, fast and manoeuvrable but big and slow makes  it very situational.


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View Posttlmitf, on 10 January 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:


Oh, like the ru251 that can pen the front of a Mauschen at maximum range?

That one particular tank really gets my back up because of that exact ability. LT's should not be able to pen the front of superheavy HT's at a range beyond what that HT can fight back at.

 

sure, the RU-251 can pen the Mauschen at maximum range... If it hits the LFP front on.

 

When does that happen? almost never. 


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View PostCardinalMite, on 10 January 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

 To an extent you can work around poor pen if you are small, fast and manoeuvrable but big and slow makes  it very situational.

 

This is true...

 

No one has said anything about Japan SHT premium HE yet :hiding: or Sprem arty splash

 

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