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raptorssss #1 Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:18 AM

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dear wg, can you please buff the t54e1 and t69 pen.

because it cant play like the other autoloaders , such as the amx 120 and such.

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But you get more armor and faster inter clip... Or just use sprem like wg want you to. 

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Count in T95E2. Its gun is as same as T69 except the clip.

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Why? T95E2 is pretty balanced as a tier 7 HT with pref MM

 

Oh wait you mean it is a tier 8 MT without pref MM?


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DeadArashi #5 Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:37 AM

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I wouldn't be surprised if the US tech tree is the next line WG [edited] around with, it's in desperate need of some love

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View PostDeadArashi, on 12 January 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

I wouldn't be surprised if the US tech tree is the next line WG [edited] around with, it's in desperate need of some love

 

Who knows, they've jut officially released the Russian tree rework, because you know, we need to have 4 tier 10 HT's and 4 tier 10 Meds in the Russian tree...

Also surprise surprise, the new tier 10 TD makes the Jagdpanzer E-100 pretty obsolete (Yes the 1050 alpha is still novel but the tank as a whole is garbage), and the new rear-turreted HT makes the already obsolete Panzer VII/VK 72.01 even more so.

But hey, hurrah for more of WG's impenetrable turret meta.

 

They really need to focus on the other trees and reworking them, hell you alone have made a lot of good suggestions that they should do.


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Obsolete??

 

But I love the Panzer VII......



DeadArashi #8 Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:28 AM

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I'm 100% against the changes to the Obj 263 line though. It will just destroy the line, not improve it. The only thing the Obj 268 V4 has is armor and that's it, the JgPz E100 has more DPM then it and is more accurate. Same on the Panzer VII; more accurate (by 0.07) and more penetration. Hell, the VK72 has better accuracy over the 705A as well as better DPM

 

The problem is that the Obj 268 V4 is ridiculously unhistorical, more so then the VK45.02B, just so it can fit at a tier it shouldn't be at. WG have added at least 110mm of frontal armor to it, increased its weight by 25t and then given it 500 more hp to the engine... just so they can [edited] over the Obj 263.

 

 At least they're adding new lines. New content that's free is always a good thing (much better then more tier 8 premiums). but this is getting off topic now



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View PostDeadArashi, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'm 100% against the changes to the Obj 263 line though. It will just destroy the line, not improve it. The only thing the Obj 268 V4 has is armor and that's it, the JgPz E100 has more DPM then it and is more accurate. Same on the Panzer VII; more accurate (by 0.07) and more penetration. Hell, the VK72 has better accuracy over the 705A as well as better DPM

 

The problem is that the Obj 268 V4 is ridiculously unhistorical, more so then the VK45.02B, just so it can fit at a tier it shouldn't be at. WG have added at least 110mm of frontal armor to it, increased its weight by 25t and then given it 500 more hp to the engine... just so they can [edited] over the Obj 263.

 

 At least they're adding new lines. New content that's free is always a good thing (much better then more tier 8 premiums). but this is getting off topic now

 

Remember when the Panzer VII was first on supertest? Didn't take them long to nerf the accuracy, aim time, dispersions and pen, even though it was hardly going to be a meta tank from the start, now it is just a big tank with armor that stops autoaim from the front but is covered in weakspots and has good alpha but horrid DPM.

True, WG are known for throwing historical accuracy out of the window, in their video of the IS-7 he clearly states that the thickness of the lower plate on the IS-7 is anywhere between 100mm-120mm but in game it is 150mm. As you've said before the Emil's and Kranvagn are way out of wack. There's the obvious ones in the German tree because WG for some reason wanted to make them all 1-2 tiers higher than they should be. Though since the big armor buff to the VK 45.02B they have nerfed the effective thickness of the lower plate twice, dropping it by around 65-70mm making it an E-75 that is worse in every way, all because reds couldn't use their brain and get to literally anywhere else on the tank because it is paper.

 

But yes, back to the topic, the T69 and T54E1 are those tanks that just haven't been looked at by WG for years apart from HD models because they are too busy pulling napkin drawings out from their [edited] and turning them into prem tanks. Overall they probably should get a small buff, maybe to the mobility, say 1 or 2 more HP/T and a pen buff of like 10-20mm for both.


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I would say 30mm for the T69 (211 compared the the French 232 and Swed 217) and 40mm on the T54E1 (250 compared to the French 257 and Swed 252) Keeping in mind that the American tanks have a smaller calibre then the French and Swedish

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but sadly, this line now is not famous due to tier 8 and 9 average low pen. so I would suggest to buff the gun and the pen

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The tech tree needs an option for those that don't own a Lorr40t and I think the T69 is the perfect option.

 

They should bump the pen and mobility and strip a heap of the armor away to compensate. The current t69 is unplayable in it's current form, I free XP'd right past it. Maybe that is WGs plan.



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T69 is freaking awesome still. Been enjoying playing it again since I've kept it. 24s reload for 960 clip potential is awesome fun, plus outspotting light tanks is also hilarious.

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View PostMagicalFlyingFox, on 13 January 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

T69 is freaking awesome still. Been enjoying playing it again since I've kept it. 24s reload for 960 clip potential is awesome fun, plus outspotting light tanks is also hilarious.

 

There is a lot of things going for it, the mobilty, gun depression, view range, workable armor. I would not like to load AP and find myself against a tank where it is ineffective, and I dont like the idea of loading such an expensive clip of HEAT ( of which i find too unrelaible). That is why I free XPd, and the E1 is a beast

 

If that AP was 210, it would be more viable for me. Swap the HEAt for APCR and it would an excellent.



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I'd rather ordinary pen on an autoloader than on a regular 8 med.

 

Of course i'd also rather best in tier pen and upper range alpha on an autoloader med as well, but as per WG, that's only in a prem...


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Yeah i would agree most of the statements, but idk when it will come or not. We’ll see about it

 



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It is interesting how the line goes from two mediums that have sub-par penetration and low-end DPM for their tier and mediocre mobility go to a heavy tank that has the most DPM, and also above average penetration but still the mediocre mobility.  The penetration buff of 15-25mm for both would make the lines much more linear.

 

Sadly as we know, WG always leave the tanks that actually could use a little love in the shadows for years then finally buff them but then by that stage the buff really only puts them back to where they were in the first place because they buffed all the other tanks anyway.


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View PostEzz, on 13 January 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

I'd rather ordinary pen on an autoloader than on a regular 8 med.

 

Of course i'd also rather best in tier pen and upper range alpha on an autoloader med as well, but as per WG, that's only in a prem...

 

But it is far quicker to change ammo on a single shot tank, you come up against an P2W totally OP tank like the Defender and only have AP loaded, you are screwed for the 30 second reload

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An onion.  Layers everywhere. But in the above imagine if you're premium auto loaders standard pen is about the same as your standard tank's sprem... 

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View PostBrutalOlyx, on 15 January 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

But it is far quicker to change ammo on a single shot tank, you come up against an P2W totally OP tank like the Defender and only have AP loaded, you are screwed for the 30 second reload

 

I think that's the point. Autoloaders are all about the payoff. If you find something you can pen, its happy days but you are screwed if you can't. 

 

Its part of the skill of autoloaders, having the right ammo loaded. 






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