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[Wolvenworks]

was digging thru my collection of tank blueprints (my hobby) when i found this: (open image in new tab for full size)

 

Notice that this declassified blueprint has Atelier de Construction d'issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) on the lower right corner. Amusingly the Tankopedia image is with the stock turret

Edited by Wolvenworks, 11 February 2018 - 12:05 PM.

[mttspiii]

It's a better picture of the AMX 65t blueprint in the wotwiki.

 

Interestingly, of the 3 engines in the tech tree, none of them had the HP stated in the blueprints lol.                                                                                                                                                                   

[Gani_GANz]

hmmm... I'm a bit confused.....

I also have a bunch of blueprints from AMX. I have two blueprints of different tanks with exactly the same turret.

one mounted on AMX M4 mle.(49??) hull. and the other one looks exactly the same as depicted above, but named Chasseur de Chars 50t instead of Char de 65t.

[Wolvenworks]

mttspiii, on 12 February 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:

It's a better picture of the AMX 65t blueprint in the wotwiki.

 

Interestingly, of the 3 engines in the tech tree, none of them had the HP stated in the blueprints lol.                                                                                                                                                                   

 

They updated the WoTWiki? i thought they've dumped that in favour of Tankopedia?

 

Gani_GANz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

hmmm... I'm a bit confused.....

I also have a bunch of blueprints from AMX. I have two blueprints of different tanks with exactly the same turret.

one mounted on AMX M4 mle.(49??) hull. and the other one looks exactly the same as depicted above, but named Chasseur de Chars 50t instead of Char de 65t.

 

I have yet to find any of the blueprints you mentioned to me. curious where you get it bro?

i have like a pile of AMX blueprints in my drive. amusingly declassified AMX blueprints are the easiest original blueprints you can find in google. for other nations best you got is one of those super-neat outer look outlines. i find original blueprints since some of them cover the ergonomics issue (how people and stuff fit into a giant tin can with the gun breech, and still have enough room to operate it without feeling like a Soviet death trap.)

[Gani_GANz]

I haven't re-checked if I still have them or not.

I'll post here if I still have them.

[Gani_GANz]

and also, I think that the AMX M4 51/54 we currently have in the game are fake. I found nothing regarding those tanks.

I pull a conclusion that WG decided to mount TCB-120 turret on AMX M4 mle.49 Amelioré hull (TCB-120 supposed to be mounted on Char de 50t B) and random gun configuration. for obvious reasons.

[Lee_Shawran]

I'm looking forward pizza tanks and polish tanks, hope they're not clone tanks or those FT like those chinese TD

[Gani_GANz]

too bad... one of those pastanks is a clone.

the tier 1 Fiat3000 is a clone from FT17.

 

[Lee_Shawran]

Gani_GANz, on 12 February 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

too bad... one of those pastanks is a clone.

the tier 1 Fiat3000 is a clone from FT17.

 

 

Fiat 2000, look at that 

[Gani_GANz]

I'm back with what I've promised. here they are...

 

the turret, constructed by FAMH

Spoiler

 

 

 

the turret, mounted on AMX M4 (49??) hull

Spoiler

 

 

Char de 65t (?)

Chasseur de Chars 50t (?)

Spoiler

 

 

[mttspiii]

Gani_GANz, on 12 February 2018 - 01:41 AM, said:

hmmm... I'm a bit confused.....

I also have a bunch of blueprints from AMX. I have two blueprints of different tanks with exactly the same turret.

one mounted on AMX M4 mle.(49??) hull. and the other one looks exactly the same as depicted above, but named Chasseur de Chars 50t instead of Char de 65t.

 

Yes, both blueprints can be seen in the wotwiki. The turret was one of the first that could mount the 120mm gun, and thus was tested on a variety of AMX M4 hulls with differing armor (and weights) from 50-70 tons.

[Wolvenworks]

wonder how WG/Yuri Pasholok found the soviet blueprints for the 9.22 update. i suspect SerB's Design Bureau is involved...again

[mttspiii]

Wolvenworks, on 13 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

wonder how WG/Yuri Pasholok found the soviet blueprints for the 9.22 update. i suspect SerB's Design Bureau is involved...again

 

They were legit. Kubinka's practically an open book for WG, so ironically all those "Soviet Bias" tanks are actually some of the most realistic in the game; in fact WG had to detune some of them to fit into tier X.

[Wolvenworks]

yep. in fact most of Der Wunderwaffe is german and japanese. mostly because they lack any post-war tank development until the Leopard MBTs and the STA line. still think that the JP heavies are mostly fakes, but what do i know? maybe Daigensui managed to Do find the IJA's plans for a bigger, more badass O-series

[mttspiii]

The Germans definitely have no post-war HT's (that I know of...yet).

They do have a rather basic MT line consisting of Leopards,

an interesting line of Leopard proposals (Borgward Leopard is a very good-looking tank, and is probably one of the best hull-downers in WoT)

but they have a rather rich and diverse LT line; whatever it is they lost in HT's post-war, they still retained their tendency to produce a light tank from any recon / APC / IFV / whatever.

 

As for the Japanese, though a lot of military documentation on the O-I is lost, there's another source for the top-secret projects: the big corporations that made and designed them (zaibatsu). And while almost all of them shed their links to WWII during the occupation, their archives still contain a vast amount of history just waiting to be published; all it needs is someone to trawl through all the data. That's how we got the newer, 'more correct' O-I designs (that awkwardly made WG's in-game Japanese HT tech tree unhistorical in just a few years). And interestingly enough, research on these paid off: the IJA apparently had designs for an actual normal-HT-sized HT as well, side by side with development of the O-I superheavies.

[Gani_GANz]

the fall of the Reich is one reason why German stop constructing heavy tanks. therefore, Maus and standardpanzer (E50/E75) projects are abandoned.

Hitler himself cancelled several potential projects in favour better projects according to him. Löwe was cancelled in favour of Maus.

meanwhile, the allies more interested in medium tanks because they have balanced performance and cheap to produce and later developed to MBTs. so German constructing medium tanks and MBTs to keep up with the trend.

that's why German have no post-WW2 heavy tanks.

Edited by Gani_GANz, 17 February 2018 - 11:18 PM.

[Wolvenworks]

yes yes that's all basic knowledge for me.

mttspiii, on 16 February 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

The Germans definitely have no post-war HT's (that I know of...yet).

They do have a rather basic MT line consisting of Leopards,

an interesting line of Leopard proposals (Borgward Leopard is a very good-looking tank, and is probably one of the best hull-downers in WoT)

but they have a rather rich and diverse LT line; whatever it is they lost in HT's post-war, they still retained their tendency to produce a light tank from any recon / APC / IFV / whatever.

 

As for the Japanese, though a lot of military documentation on the O-I is lost, there's another source for the top-secret projects: the big corporations that made and designed them (zaibatsu). And while almost all of them shed their links to WWII during the occupation, their archives still contain a vast amount of history just waiting to be published; all it needs is someone to trawl through all the data. That's how we got the newer, 'more correct' O-I designs (that awkwardly made WG's in-game Japanese HT tech tree unhistorical in just a few years). And interestingly enough, research on these paid off: the IJA apparently had designs for an actual normal-HT-sized HT as well, side by side with development of the O-I superheavies.

 

IIRc That zaibatsu happens to be Mitsubishi, Japan's regular contractor for armored vehicles. they still make tanks for the jp govt now. as for that "normal-Ht-Sized HT", curious which one you mean

[mttspiii]

Wolvenworks, on 21 February 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

yes yes that's all basic knowledge for me.

 

IIRc That zaibatsu happens to be Mitsubishi, Japan's regular contractor for armored vehicles. they still make tanks for the jp govt now. as for that "normal-Ht-Sized HT", curious which one you mean

 

Ju-I: (Heavy First) Type 96 Heavy*
Ju-Ro: (Heavy Second) Type 97 Heavy*
Ju-Ha: (Heavy Third) Mitsu-104*
Ju-Ni:  (Heavy Fourth) Ishi-108*

 

Thankfully, the main researcher (Mai_Waffentrager) maintained a blog; however the blueprints are currently classified...until a book can be made about them.

 

Of course, they did give us a teaser to guessing the dimensions of these tanks. Look closely at this image:

Spoiler

 

 

And yeah, Mitsubishi most likely. Though I'm guessing there's a second source for Mai.

Edited by mttspiii, 25 February 2018 - 07:41 AM.

[Wolvenworks]

maybe the JSDF archives? IIRc back then only Mitsubishi has the capacity to make tanks, since everyone else should be buzy with ships or planes (the IJN being more prioritized). also explains why tank development in Imperial Japan was stunted; you don't really need fancy tanks if the worst you could find pre-pearl harbor is a M3 Stuart or a T-26