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Ravens_Claw #1 Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:04 AM

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Hi

 

World of Russian Tanks is looking at bringing in the Object 257 into the Russian Line at Tier 9.

 

Excluding a specific reward tank, this tank will be unique to the game.

 

Circonflexes has put on Youtube a discussion video (review) regarding this tank and V Shaped Hull tanks in general. It is in the players interest to be aware and "ready" when this tank or similar tanks drop into the game.

 

Claus Kellerman has also put up a game play video of this tank. That is worth watching too. I will put links to both below.

 



Ravens_Claw #2 Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:05 AM

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The Claus Kellerman video 



DeadArashi #3 Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:34 AM

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The V-shape hull isn't in itself bad,

 

what makes it bad is one of two things:

  1. They put so much shit (spaced armor/visual objects) that you cant accurately tell what the [edited] you're shooting at (Obj 907); or.
  2. They make the transmission housing spaced armor (Obj 257)

 

At least on the Obj 907 you can at least track it and deal damage with a single shot if you aim at the rear drive wheel, not so on the Obj 257 because for some unfathomable reason they decided to make it spaced armor



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Hmmmmm.... I wonder if I should move my IS7 crew down to the 257 for funsies for a while.

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FramFramson #5 Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:53 AM

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By the way, you posted two identical videos, I think? They're both the Circon video.

 

(I'd link the correct one myself, but I'm phoneposting at the moment).


Edited by FramFramson, 13 February 2018 - 05:56 AM.

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Claus is amusing, but thank goodness he acknowledges he's a baddy. That was frustrating to watch. And htf did he pen that 268.4?

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View PostEzz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

Claus is amusing, but thank goodness he acknowledges he's a baddy. That was frustrating to watch. And htf did he pen that 268.4?

 

He has the best introductions though......

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View PostPuggsley, on 13 February 2018 - 11:55 AM, said:

He has the best introductions though......

I wish more pubbies realised they were shit but had good introductions.


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Shoot the shoulders .... amirite  :B

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View PostEnglishBob, on 13 February 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

Shoot the shoulders .... amirite  :B

 

Well, like facing any pike nose, yeah. They usually have to turn at some point and baddies will often do so without thinking about what they're doing. 

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The people who commented clearly didn't watch the Circonflexes video.

 

So let me dumb it down for you.

 

1. Because of the Object 257's pike nose, most tanks of equal or lower tier will have trouble penetrating from the front.

2. Like most high tier Russian tanks there are no weak spots on the turret.

 

Nothing new here right????

 

Now here is where it gets interesting.

 

2. BECAUSE of the V shaped hull it is almost impossible to penetrate this tank from the side. Even tier 10 tanks will have trouble. The area that is penetrable from the side is tiny and even at close range you will miss MOST of the time.

3. One of the few ways to deal with near invincible Russian tanks is to penetrate them from tracking shots (at the correct angle). This will not work because of the Object 257's V shaped hull. It will bounce AND is treated as spaced armour. You will track the tank, but you will not damage the tank.

 

Oh, and other than the poor gun depression, the Object 257's gun has no problem damaging many tier 10 tanks.

 

You probably don't believe me right now, because Wargaming "wouldn't" do such a thing. Watch the videos!!! 



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View PostRavens_Claw, on 13 February 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

1. Because of the Object 257's pike nose, most tanks of equal or lower tier will have trouble penetrating from the front.

2. Like most high tier Russian tanks there are no weak spots on the turret.

 

  1. Pike nose are very easy to penetrate from the front if it's not hull down and straight on. If they angle over 12 deg the upper cheeks become a weakspot... and if you dont have shots at the hull...
  2. The roof is only 30mm thick making any calibre gun that's 90mm or larger an instant overmatch

 

View PostRavens_Claw, on 13 February 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

2. BECAUSE of the V shaped hull it is almost impossible to penetrate this tank from the side. Even tier 10 tanks will have trouble. The area that is penetrable from the side is tiny and even at close range you will miss MOST of the time.

3. One of the few ways to deal with near invincible Russian tanks is to penetrate them from tracking shots (at the correct angle). This will not work because of the Object 257's V shaped hull. It will bounce AND is treated as spaced armour. You will track the tank, but you will not damage the tank.

 

  1. Am I the only able to hit the area above the tracks reliably? I mean, I can hit it repeatedly from 200m away with the Obj 268 V4 and that's got horrid accuracy. And if he's side on... SHOOT THE UPPER PLATE
  2. This is the only valid point you've made and it's because WG went full [edited] and made the transmission spaced armor. If they had made it part of the damage hit box, LIKE IT IS ON THE OBJ 907, then even this point would be invalid. 

 

I should also note that point 2 has NOTHING to do with the V-shaped hull.

 

I'm sorry but the Obj 257 is riddled with that many weaknesses that if you can't kill it then there's no one to blame but yourself

 

Another point - Circons vid is outdated and pre-nerf when the hull armor was 65mm... it's 45mm on the live server. https://tanks.gg/tank/obj-257/model

It's easy as shit to penetrate from the side


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View PostDeadArashi, on 13 February 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

  1. Am I the only able to hit the area above the tracks reliably? I mean, I can hit it repeatedly from 200m away with the Obj 268 V4 and that's got horrid accuracy. 

With that gun you'll overmatch the 45mm sides so it won't really matter where you hit.

View PostDeadArashi, on 13 February 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

It's easy as shit to penetrate from the side

With 145mm or larger caliber guns, definitely. Lower than that and you'll need to hit the thin strip (naturally depending on normal pen calcs).

 


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I saw quite a few obj 257 today in both enemy and my team in almost all battles, they didn't perform anything extraordinary than a regular tier 9 both in terms of damage dealt and damage blocked. 

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View PostMeverick, on 13 February 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I saw quite a few obj 257 today in both enemy and my team in almost all battles, they didn't perform anything extraordinary than a regular tier 9 both in terms of damage dealt and damage blocked. 

 

That's because it's honestly not remarkable. When it had 65mm of side hull armor and riddle with more spaced armor then S.Conq it was OP af. Now? Hardly.

Honestly I'm more scared of a hull down SU-100M1 now then I am of the Obj 257

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View PostMeverick, on 13 February 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

I saw quite a few obj 257 today in both enemy and my team in almost all battles, they didn't perform anything extraordinary than a regular tier 9 both in terms of damage dealt and damage blocked. 

 

Likewise. It appears the skill floor may be above ~47%... which is roughly where a lot of the drivers were today.

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View PostDeadArashi, on 13 February 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

 

That's because it's honestly not remarkable. When it had 65mm of side hull armor and riddle with more spaced armor then S.Conq it was OP af. Now? Hardly.

Honestly I'm more scared of a hull down SU-100M1 now then I am of the Obj 257

Bit shame really, my easier chances for HT12/15 gone. Still keep it, since its free and looks pretty cool.


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View PostDeadArashi, on 13 February 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 

  1. Pike nose are very easy to penetrate from the front if it's not hull down and straight on. If they angle over 12 deg the upper cheeks become a weakspot... and if you dont have shots at the hull...
  2. The roof is only 30mm thick making any calibre gun that's 90mm or larger an instant overmatch

 

 

1. Even if it is stupidly angled, the armor is still around 210 which can give tier 8 a hard time and if you are driving a lower tank then it's even harder.

2. That roof is only weakspot in close combat cuz most tanks don't have pixel accuracy.

 

Even though it's not a monster as in the test server, I still think this tank needs some nerfs.



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lol I dont get all the fuss about spaced armor. it isn't the space that makes the vshapes so idiot proof, rather its the angle lmao. No matter how much pen you have, as long as your caliber isnt enough, you can't pen the 257 sides even if its facing you flat. spaced armor makes no difference here in the case of the 257. Its just gonna be >70 degree autobounce unless you are roughly 50+ meters away from it, then will the angles on the side be reduced to <70


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Few notes: when using guns below 145mm, do not attempt to shoot the underside of the hull where the V shape is located. Its better to shoot the most upper side of the hull. Even so, you got to be accurate with your shots there to avoid the space armor section.

 

and as shown is7 APCR has no effect on the V shape hull

 

If you are using 150mm guns the lower hull is a instant penetration, and if a 257 is heavily angled while sidescraping, its still a penetration.

 

no other place to aim for? aim for the turret cupolas and the turret roof which is only 30mm thick.


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