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FramFramson #1 Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:44 PM

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Poor old Leo - an incredible, amazing tank... for a WoT game which doesn't exist. The king of a long-dead meta, it can still be deadly in the right hands, but I wouldn't say no to a buff to give it a bit more flexibility in the current meta, you know?

 

Leaving aside the completely laughable fact that WG has said they can't buff the Leo or "it will become OP", how do you buff the thing while retaining some semblance of uniqueness? The AMX 30B, the only other TX tank which was anything like it, is now a midrange brawler, closer to the STB.

 

I've thought of a lot of different things, but I think it would come down to one thing: Pour more into that gun. Not more DPM necessarily, but other stats.

 

1 - Improved gun handling, so it can actually KIND OF snap shot.

2 - Improve the base accuracy even further so that it would be, you know, actually accurate in spite of our horrific 25% RNG. Make it the tank that can pen those tiny cupolas!

3 - Noticeably increase the pen on the base APCR (280? 290?) OR make the base ammo into AP without changing the velocity or penetration (i.e. for greatly improved normalization). Or both!

 

Making it faster won't do much, it's already faster than everything but the Bat Chat. Increasing the view range or best-in-class camo even further is pretty useless (hence dead-meta tank). Giving it armour would basically remove the last conventional TX medium to not rely on armour and destroy everything that's unique about it. Making it a tank that can super-reliably hit and pen things would reward both scrubs and good players (i.e. ones who can aim and know where to aim).


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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #2 Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:55 PM

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Less DPM, more accuracy, turret armor.

 

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Move to places and snipe snipe, but not so much DPM that it becomes a TAD.


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Basically, just upgrade it to Leopard 1A2 :P

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 13 February 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

Less DPM, more accuracy, turret armor.

 

A.k.a. German gun

 

Move to places and snipe snipe, but not so much DPM that it becomes a TAD.

 

I don't think it's exactly a DPM monster right now though. Less DPM might make it unplayable.

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Move it to tier 9, introduce the leopard 1a2 or whatever varient that fits in the game but gives it armour. Also it has trash camo. Cimpared to literally any Russian medium, it has worse armour than all of them

 

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Improve the gun bloom and base accuracy - it shouldn't miss shots.

Increase the camo slightly.

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It kinda is already at tier 9. The leo prot after its buffs is a joy to play.

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Merge the Leo Prot and Leo into one tank at tier 9 and intorduce the Kpz 70 with the proposed German 120mm as the new tier 10

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Gun handling buff that it needs so sorely.

 

Or Leopard 1A2.


 

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Puggsley #10 Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:44 AM

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Hidden gun handling stats need some work.

 

But that will never happen, its just one giant "balancing" around Soviet tanks.

 

And besides, they have been busy tarting up the same old corridor maps - should be good for ages. What do these complaining peasants want???



karthik1930 #11 Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:57 AM

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Retain the same DPM,give turret armour lyk STB1 nd increase the hull armour to minimum,say 60mm sides nd rear.

Proloser_The_Atomistic #12 Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

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Turret needs buffing... anything without a fairly bouncy turret that doesn't have an autoloader is absolute crap.

ThomChen114 #13 Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:29 AM

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Hmm, I'm not sure if whether to still look forward to getting the Leopard I after all. But surely it's not an entirely pointless grind (I hope)

I'm still at the Leo PTA and taking advantage of the current On Track. Had a couple of games where, as long as I didn't foolishly rush ahead and get HE penned in the first 3 minutes of a match, I was doing reasonably well. I still have yet to Ace the Leo PTA but I've found the tank to work well and more and more likable.

 

Most recent replay on Steppes (top tier, no artillery)

Speed is life in this thing, and it's in using that speed that dictates whether one is in position to do some damage, and to survive to be able to keep doing damage with the 0.3 accuracy. 

Starting off, I didn't go with the other tanks to brawl at the NE, but stayed near the base to snipe. Had some success there, but I soon realized the SW flank was about to collapse. I took a gamble. I could book it and go north, but I decided that while the ally heavy tanks were still alive down there, I could maybe sneak in some extra damage. As soon as the last ally heavy tank fell, I hit the gas and made my hasty retreat.

Not as much damage taken as I feared, and still had some allies between me and the enemy coming from the west. At the same time, the east flank was also crumbling, but I had arrived just in time to clean up and with enough health to take the damage to secure that flank.

What was left was the classic scenario of mobile tanks just outflanking and picking apart slower tanks (they made the unwise decision of splitting up)

 

I might make a video w/ commentary about this match, since while it wasn't some spectacular 8k damage unicum level game, I feel that it has some simple lessons that can be learned for the average to good players, if not to learn, then to not forget.


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It just needs buff to soft gun handling stats but also think that will never happen. 

 

Its so so sad when my friends who love playing but never read forums or look at YouTube tell me, ‘it’s amazing man, look at accuracy/mobility stats’, only reading what wg put in game. Feels like false advertising to trick ppl who don’t do additional research. 

 

 I actually sold it and will buy back pta eventually. After the gun depression buffs the pta is unquestionably better tier for tier. 


 

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Apparently an autoloader was seen on it in some test thing... https://thearmoredpa...loader-leopard/

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View PostEzz, on 05 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

Apparently an autoloader was seen on it in some test thing... https://thearmoredpa...loader-leopard/

 

iirc that was one of the proposals for the Italian tier X, a Leopard import with an autoloader gun. 

 

Maybe it'll be one of the new campaign rewards vehicles


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Give it an accuracy gimmick, soft and hard stats, make it so it doesnt miss, on the move or otherwise, leave everything else but make it the true sniper of the game.
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View Postcplripley, on 06 April 2018 - 01:02 AM, said:

Give it an accuracy gimmick, soft and hard stats, make it so it doesnt miss, on the move or otherwise, leave everything else but make it the true sniper of the game.

 

while i'd say the "true sniper" of the game is the Strv 103B, the 103B can still miss on occasion. if the Leopard I would have the same smooth gun handling as the M48A5 but have a more accurate gun, then that would be ideal. The armor can remain as fragile as the dream of a thousand-year Reich, and the speed can be as fast as the Blitzkrieg fluke, but it's that gun that needs some attention if it had already sacrificed so much in this armor meta

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Giv it 450 alpha, and moar gun depress. Let it run in Test serv and see how it went.

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^^ agreeable,  but gun dep without armour only goes so far, laser accuracy and maybe bring the load time down to just more than a Russian, asking for the similar 5 sec almost autoloader speed would be too much obviously.
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