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abigaiI #1 Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:27 AM

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can't feel good for old tier10 tanks but its not the old tanks's problem

 

compare with lower tiers just new 10tier tanks are too op

 

for example

 

430u is better than 113 for everyway except gun elev angle

 

2684 is all better than 268 except gun elev angle

 

705a destroyed e100 except gun elev angle and 100alpha

 

if they came out past 2684 might have -4 of elev angle and 200~220 of upper battleroom or not this fast at least

 

and 430u upper plate could 140 at max and still its op when they can hulldown little bit

 

705a don't have to get 60d angled lower plate with 140armor it needs goldammo all times when driver is not moron

 

 

 

nowdays in tier8~10 half of users spam premammo

 

cause normal ammo not feels safe and its ultra toxic now

 

sometimes no weak spot for normal ammo so it can be unplayable

 

todays weakspots are too small or not a weak at all

 

 

 

wargaming really don't know difference of "benefit positioning" and "invincible"

 

if 140can get hulldown its lots of benefit

 

but 430u's cap armor is just 300 its like how dare you try it for new tanks!!!!



Proloser_The_Atomistic #2 Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:51 PM

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Armor are overbuffed to counter gold spam, which directly increased the need to spam gold. Endless circle of spear and sheild :D.

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excessive armor buffs.....

 

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Uhlan #5 Posted 11 March 2018 - 11:03 PM

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Leave the new tanks alone, reactionary old farts naturally cant cope well with change, they just like to autisticly stat pad away on easy targets familiar to their repetitive play style.

 

Love the new tanks, gives a new challenge to crack these tough nuts.  New challenges and new OP tanks to grind for makes the game fresh.

 

Also love the tier 10 ranked battles, apart from clan wars, makes a large stable of tier 10's worth building.

 

This IS the golden age of WOT!   :)  :)   :) 



 

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So the 'reactionary old farts' seek balance rather than broken tanks... because it makes it harder to stat pad? Lol, normally pubbies think anyone with over 50% wr is a stat padder BECAUSE they play broken tanks.

 

Also how does RB encourage having lots of 10s? Most feel it narrows the list of viable tanks even further. 


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A large stable of 10's is useless, trust me on this. 

 

An active decent clan will only use viable 10's. As a player it pays to grind the lines that are useful: anything else is done purely for collection purposes. If you can get decent depth with clan wars viable tanks you should literally never lock up fully, as there is a pretty broad range of them.

 

As for "reactionary OLD farts", I can tell you that age has nothing to do with change resistance - it occurs in all areas of the age spectrum.

 

As Ezz mentions above, there's naught wrong with seeking a reasonable level of balance in the game we play and enjoy.



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View PostUhlan, on 11 March 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Leave the new tanks alone, reactionary old farts naturally cant cope well with change, they just like to autisticly stat pad away on easy targets familiar to their repetitive play style.

 

Love the new tanks, gives a new challenge to crack these tough nuts.  New challenges and new OP tanks to grind for makes the game fresh.

 

Also love the tier 10 ranked battles, apart from clan wars, makes a large stable of tier 10's worth building.

 

This IS the golden age of WOT!   :)  :)   :) 

I bet all the poor beggars driving tier 6s are just loving the challenge of taking on new OP tier 8 tanks. Not to mention all those driving T32s and Tger 2s. Then you have IS6s that can’t pen Defender LFP with premium ammo, I bet they just can’t get enough of this golden age. 

 

Because it won’t be the “old farts” grinding most of the tier 6,7,8 tech tree non OP tanks. They already did that years ago, it will be the newer players getting to have that special experience. 

 

Magic moments in a golden age eh? Good times...


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View PostEzz, on 11 March 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

So the 'reactionary old farts' seek balance rather than broken tanks... because it makes it harder to stat pad? Lol, normally pubbies think anyone with over 50% wr is a stat padder BECAUSE they play broken tanks.

 

Also how does RB encourage having lots of 10s? Most feel it narrows the list of viable tanks even further. 

 

​Had a look at all your tier 10's and would be happy to play them all in Ranked battles.  Sure the field could be narrowed down to a handful of tanks starting with Supers.  They are all fun tanks, forget the chevron "snakes and ladders" and stats, get back to the joy of tanking.  What first lit your fire in WOT.

 

In relation to the selection of Tier Tens for clan wars its true - 113's, Batchats and the buffed Supers are frequently used in European CW's;  but YouTube is replete with excellent CW replays with a broad range of Tanks.  I used to love DeerHunters out of the box use of tanks when playing for Fury.  Lateral FC's using a broad canvass of tanks in relation to the terrain within the maps, make for some of the more memorable games.  

 

 

 

 



 

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View PostUhlan, on 12 March 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

 

​Had a look at all your tier 10's and would be happy to play them all in Ranked battles.  Sure the field could be narrowed down to a handful of tanks starting with Supers.  They are all fun tanks, forget the chevron "snakes and ladders" and stats, get back to the joy of tanking.  What first lit your fire in WOT.

 

In relation to the selection of Tier Tens for clan wars its true - 113's, Batchats and the buffed Supers are frequently used in European CW's;  but YouTube is replete with excellent CW replays with a broad range of Tanks.  I used to love DeerHunters out of the box use of tanks when playing for Fury.  Lateral FC's using a broad canvass of tanks in relation to the terrain within the maps, make for some of the more memorable games.  

 

 

 

 

 

Please, tell how how a Obj 268 is better than an STRV or Grille. Plus, in ranked battles, fun =/= succeeding and when your goal is to get chevrons, why the hell would you play tanks like the 121 or E100? You are just gimping yourself. 

 

 

 

What we want is more parity, some actual balance in the base game itself (pub battles) so that tiers 7s can actually do something to tier 8s which seems to have changed because lets add more armour to everything! etc etc. 

We want in tier balance to not be as terrible as it is now. In tier 8, you have the Lorraine, T-44-100, then the rest are all worse. 

 

If this is the golden age, then why has the game been in decline? 


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Needing gold to pen weak spots would probably slow down a new players grind, making them bored of the game quicker and not returning.
Who would enjoy hearing "that one bounced" or "didn't even scratch them" every shot they take.

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View PostMagicalFlyingFox, on 12 March 2018 - 03:33 AM, said:

 

Please, tell how how a Obj 268 is better than an STRV or Grille. Plus, in ranked battles, fun =/= succeeding and when your goal is to get chevrons, why the hell would you play tanks like the 121 or E100? You are just gimping yourself. 

 

 

 

What we want is more parity, some actual balance in the base game itself (pub battles) so that tiers 7s can actually do something to tier 8s which seems to have changed because lets add more armour to everything! etc etc. 

We want in tier balance to not be as terrible as it is now. In tier 8, you have the Lorraine, T-44-100, then the rest are all worse. 

 

If this is the golden age, then why has the game been in decline? 

 

​All three TD's you mention are different play styles, I don't have the Tier 10 STRV ( just the tier 8 ver ) but all three provide fun variety and unique game play within the TD specialisation.  I even enjoy playing the Grille like a med.   For me fun is a good battle in good company, Ranked Battles provides a unique environment to learn amongst equally rated peers to improve your game.  Seal clubbing does not do it for me.  

 

In ref to your comment about the 121 and E100, the only simular tanks I own are the 140 and Maus.  Even though I have crap stats on the 140, I like its speed and DPM.  Again its all about the variety of playstyles so things don't become stale.

 

Its more than tongue in cheek when I say Golden Age ( some may say age of gold rounds ).  Sure WOT dropped the ball a number of years ago, whilst it focused on other games.  Some may say WOT funded the other projects.  But it seems the staff have refocused on Tanks in recent years. If  I bump into former members of my old clan who have drifted away from the game, I will certainly suggest they drop back in to experience the changes.

 


Edited by Uhlan, 12 March 2018 - 02:28 PM.


 

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^^^^^ - LOL - used to love the Alani spear men in Attila TW with their Warhounds.

wardogs with satchel charges chasing down T100LT's? - I'd like to see that...


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View PostUhlan, on 12 March 2018 - 01:03 AM, said:

Love the new tanks

 

I agree completely.

 

I can play like a complete idiot but get better results on my stats than I ever did when I was playing at my best a few years ago.



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View Post_Storm, on 12 March 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

I agree completely.

 

I can play like a complete idiot but get better results on my stats than I ever did when I was playing at my best a few years ago.

 

More heavy tanks means more targets for artillery. I can sit on my [edited] all day and brainlessly click more things now that everyone is in a heavy.

 

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View Post_Storm, on 12 March 2018 - 06:12 AM, said:

 

I agree completely.

 

I can play like a complete idiot but get better results on my stats than I ever did when I was playing at my best a few years ago.

 

In Eve i'd call you a bitter vet and ask for all your stuff.   But you would have to play more Tier 10 Tanks to be called a vet.     ;)


 

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View Postkersh, on 12 March 2018 - 04:01 AM, said:

Needing gold to pen weak spots would probably slow down a new players grind, making them bored of the game quicker and not returning.
Who would enjoy hearing "that one bounced" or "didn't even scratch them" every shot they take.

 

I have wondered that very same thing when a couple of lower tier enemy tanks have helped me get various HT missions done.

 

I would have thought that seeing as the previous 20 have not penetrated, that its time to shoot something else or press the 2, or even 3, key. But no just blind optimism that this one will be different.



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imho, the only real problematic tank is 268v4.

 

I am not so frustrated with their dpm..but the almost impenetrable frontal armor. 

Just take moment to check the endgame result, look at their damage blocked....:ohmy:


Edited by crash74, 13 March 2018 - 01:00 PM.


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View PostUhlan, on 12 March 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

​All three TD's you mention are different play styles, I don't have the Tier 10 STRV ( just the tier 8 ver ) but all three provide fun variety and unique game play within the TD specialisation.  I even enjoy playing the Grille like a med.   For me fun is a good battle in good company, Ranked Battles provides a unique environment to learn amongst equally rated peers to improve your game.  Seal clubbing does not do it for me.  

 

 

 

No, I'm talking about their use in CW and ranked battles since you seem to say that every tank 'has its use'. 

 

 


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