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Puggsley #1 Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:17 AM

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I'm collecting data to test a hypothesis about how to play to minimise the impact arty has on your play. There are a mountain of anecdotes about the impact of arty, but almost no data.

 

I've watched many many hours of streams from some of the top players in the server. This was done to ensure a random selection of games. 

 

I've logged each and every arty hit, how much damage whether it was indirect fire or direct, the playstyle the player was adopting when it happened and when in the game. Only recently started collecting data on the impact of stun (how much damage happens after you are stunned). Following this I have developed a theory about how you can control the impact arty has on your play. I've made predictions about when people are likely to be targeted by arty and submitted these predictions to 2 of the moderators.

 

If anyone has a replay where they feel they were targeted by arty please post it on wotreplays and post the link below. Please add in a short descriptor, especially if you think you were unfairly targeted.

 

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Puggsley #2 Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:18 AM

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Puggsley #3 Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:18 AM

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MM_is_Broken #4 Posted 02 April 2018 - 10:28 AM

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Arty shot me so i blacklisted  him because arty doesnt follow the rules of any other tank ,so actually its illegal to use arty ingame

Arty ruins this game and it would be so much better offf without it in game

pity all the doogooders cant see this


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Ensign_Brendoonigan #5 Posted 02 April 2018 - 10:36 AM

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Good luck on this Puggs, personally I also think it's a myth. People just get annoyed and think theirs a great conspiracy which the Arty players have going on behind a wall of secrecy. If I have any games where it happens I'll pass them on to you but for me it's generally because I'm on the front line in a slow heavy holding there push back. Of course I'd be focused if I'm countering there team. Seems remarkedly sensible to me that they'd be doing it just like I'd hope our Arty is doing the same. 

 

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Most pros don't get targeted by arty actually

 

Because arty can't target things that aren't spotted



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View PostMM_is_Broken, on 02 April 2018 - 02:28 AM, said:

Arty shot me so i blacklisted  him because arty doesnt follow the rules of any other tank ,so actually its illegal to use arty ingame

Arty ruins this game and it would be so much better offf without it in game

pity all the doogooders cant see this

 

​So help the dogooders see. Given it is ruining your game you should have a lot of games which you can submit and prove how bad it really is. I'd really appreciate it if you can.

 

Data works a lot better than anecdotes. 


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Puggsley #8 Posted 02 April 2018 - 12:02 PM

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 02 April 2018 - 02:52 AM, said:

Most pros don't get targeted by arty actually

 

Because arty can't target things that aren't spotted

 

I agree they don't get targeted by arty, but its absolutely not because they don't get spotted. They are spotted more than most other tankers because they take aggressive forward positions, and they have their gun shooting all the time. But they do a couple of minor things which make it hard for arty to target them. They fight near others which gives the arty a choice about which tank to target and they do make use of all the in game rocks buildings etc to get as much cover as they can, when its available. When there is none they pretty much ignore arty and kill the enemy as fast as they can.

 

Take Bol for example in is 12 games streamed yesterday (1/4/18). He played on the front line every game, all tier x tanks was spotted a huge amount and ended up facing 1.2 arty per game (a bit less than average), got hit an average of 1 times per game (an extremely high number and evidence of how close to the front he really was was. Most of the unicums I have watched will get hit 0.5 times per game) for and average of 249 damage per game from arty. His was the first one I also recorded how much damage he suffered while stunned/tracked from arty, and it averaged 18 hp per game (all from 1 damaging shot while stunned). 



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actually if i did have a bad day in normal tanks , i will make it worser for everyone i see on each and everyone enemy team with my m53/55 and will target especially one tank i do not like, priority given to anyone on my blacklist

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(wouldn't let me post the actual gif and I cant remember how to fix it)


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View PostMadHouse10101, on 02 April 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

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(wouldn't let me post the actual gif and I cant remember how to fix it)

 

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View PostPuggsley, on 02 April 2018 - 04:02 AM, said:

His was the first one I also recorded how much damage he suffered while stunned/tracked from arty, and it averaged 18 hp per game (all from 1 damaging shot while stunned). 

I don't know if the damage received during stun thing is really the pertinent factor, the stun reduces the subset of things tactically available to you (well risk isn't binary but appropriate words evade me right now) for a period of time. Being chain stunned for example denies you a number of opportunities for a contiguous period which may or may not be important depending on what you are doing. Whilst you're forced to react to the arty focus in that game time an enemy may have made an advance or killed all your friends for example.

 

Actually measuring this on a metric on a replay is non-trivial though. Probably the closest thing is evaluating how many times a player was forced to react in majority component to being stunned (e.g sticking to particular lines/positions or retreating or not being able to exploit a movement, things like that)



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View PostMadHouse10101, on 02 April 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

https://i.imgur.com/RHo0FYm.gifv 

 

(wouldn't let me post the actual gif and I cant remember how to fix it)

 

gifv doesn't like it when you get rid of the v in the url on imgur :(


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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.


Mother_Of_All_Rommel #14 Posted 02 April 2018 - 03:34 PM

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Do replays from luck based skrub accepted too? Or this just for uni?

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View PostMadHouse10101, on 02 April 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

https://i.imgur.com/RHo0FYm.gifv 

 

(wouldn't let me post the actual gif and I cant remember how to fix it)

 

so Badhouse are you studying Design or information, Digital Media & Technology?

 

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As for the OP - I have a replay where I was targeted by arty...

 

...but it was my own teams arty  :-(


 

View PostSir_British, on 11 February 2016 - 11:24 PM, said:

joc469, the great purporter of  'name-changer' and 'clan-leaver' all hail the JOC469!


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View PostPuggsley, on 02 April 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

​So help the dogooders see. Given it is ruining your game you should have a lot of games which you can submit and prove how bad it really is. I'd really appreciate it if you can.

 

Data works a lot better than anecdotes. 

 

I dont keep that kind of replays 

they all think arty is good for the game but arty doesnt kare about who it wrecks

I dont have none in my account never will cause its toxic to a tank game 

i  do have a good screen shot of players talking about why they play arty and it aint for the gameplay  its so they can ruin the other players game or make salt 

 


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View Postcrazib, on 02 April 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

actually if i did have a bad day in normal tanks , i will make it worser for everyone i see on each and everyone enemy team with my m53/55 and will target especially one tank i do not like, priority given to anyone on my blacklist

 

That's how I do it too. Gets good when there's a few blacklisted people on the opposite team.

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View PostJOC469, on 02 April 2018 - 05:58 PM, said:

 

so Badhouse are you studying Design or information, Digital Media & Technology?

 

 

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biggest issue is when you start getting perma stunned and basically spend the next 4 minutes not moving, not shooting or actually playing the game (oh thanks I am having a great time and its lots of fun) all it takes is for you to be a heavy tank and push a line or position yourself (semi arty safe) to hold back an advance, then get perma stunned and focused by 3 arty!!

 

Meanwhile your arty on your team are shooting at light tanks and wasting the whole game not counter battery or stopping their advance.. zzzz

 

also XVM is a real thing.. some of the worst red/orange players use it and do focus better players its just fact.... remove it from the game to stop these red arty players knowing straight away who to hold shots for all game.


 





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