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  1. leopard 2ri ( indonesia) (3 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  2. leopard 2sg (singapore) (7 votes [28.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.00%

  3. t-84 oplot (thailand) (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  4. pt-91m(malaysia (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. k-2 black pathner (korea) (5 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  6. type-10 (japan) (8 votes [32.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.00%

  7. type-99 (china) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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pokeranger24 #21 Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:25 PM

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View PostWolvenworks, on 06 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

the heck is that from? not-gundam?

 

Its from Irregular at magic high school, you should watch it

 

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i'll check it out later. now occupied with monmusu

 

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In all seriousness, the only real tank the Philippines "supposedly" have currently in service is a variant or the FV101 Scorpion... that's as close as we get to it. I have never seen them and the only picture I have seen of them is from the late 70's :/ 

I have no idea what happened to our M41's 

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View PostConan, on 09 April 2018 - 06:58 PM, said:

In all seriousness, the only real tank the Philippines "supposedly" have currently in service is a variant or the FV101 Scorpion... that's as close as we get to it. I have never seen them and the only picture I have seen of them is from the late 70's :/ 

I have no idea what happened to our M41's 

 

 

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Well, no shame on Philippine to not owning any MBT yet. Indonesia also only recently get one, and our legislative body raise some fuss about that acquisition. 

Up until then we mostly rely on light tanks like PT-76, Scorpion and AMX-13. Admittedly we do upgrade their armaments to keep up with current situation.

 


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View PostConan, on 09 April 2018 - 06:58 PM, said:

In all seriousness, the only real tank the Philippines "supposedly" have currently in service is a variant or the FV101 Scorpion... that's as close as we get to it. I have never seen them and the only picture I have seen of them is from the late 70's :/ 

I have no idea what happened to our M41's 

amphibious and lightweight are probably important criteria for any AFVs in the Philippines(alongside budget), accounting for all the harsh terrain in the Philippines.

then again, imagine having some actual MBTs in Marawi.

 

turned into museum pieces or gate guards? Taiwan has plenty of M41s, some static retired, but some still in service alongside our updated/upgraded M60s and M48s


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View PostThomChen114, on 10 April 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

amphibious and lightweight are probably important criteria for any AFVs in the Philippines(alongside budget), accounting for all the harsh terrain in the Philippines.

then again, imagine having some actual MBTs in Marawi.

 

turned into museum pieces or gate guards? Taiwan has plenty of M41s, some static retired, but some still in service alongside our updated/upgraded M60s and M48s

 

SoKor was giving Philippines some old M48's for a friendship price, but Philippines declined.

 

Apart from terrain, it's mostly about oil consumption, why there never were MBT's in the Philippines.


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View Postmttspiii, on 10 April 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

SoKor was giving Philippines some old M48's for a friendship price, but Philippines declined.

 

Apart from terrain, it's mostly about oil consumption, why there never were MBT's in the Philippines.

 

the realities of the Philippines is that they have far more water and air they need to cover than land, and i don't think having MBTs would give the military any more an edge against insurgents and civilian protesters.

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View PostThomChen114, on 11 April 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

 

the realities of the Philippines is that they have far more water and air they need to cover than land, and i don't think having MBTs would give the military any more an edge against insurgents and civilian protesters.

 

similarly in indonesia too. only, we also have mountains and such, so it's quite amusing to see the army modernize to leopards from basically a Pindad retrofit of an AMX 13 105, which by current standards is as useful as what it is most well known for in jakarta: gate ornament in front of the army HQ and museum


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View PostWolvenworks, on 17 April 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

similarly in indonesia too. only, we also have mountains and such, so it's quite amusing to see the army modernize to leopards from basically a Pindad retrofit of an AMX 13 105, which by current standards is as useful as what it is most well known for in jakarta: gate ornament in front of the army HQ and museum

 

and may it continue to remain that way. i'm not familiar with the security situation in Indonesia, but i can't imagine there's anything that requires a Leopard to blunder through a forest or slide off mountain roads (and i'm sure we have plenty of practice and experience at how well a tank survives a tumble down a slope) [unless it's Russian].

 

having MBTs is a status symbol for a modern military in the 21st century, similar to the way having Chariots were in the Bronze Age and Knights in medieval Europe. and just like those, tanks require a lot of care and resources to maintain.


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View PostThomChen114, on 18 April 2018 - 07:36 PM, said:

 

and may it continue to remain that way. i'm not familiar with the security situation in Indonesia, but i can't imagine there's anything that requires a Leopard to blunder through a forest or slide off mountain roads (and i'm sure we have plenty of practice and experience at how well a tank survives a tumble down a slope) [unless it's Russian].

 

having MBTs is a status symbol for a modern military in the 21st century, similar to the way having Chariots were in the Bronze Age and Knights in medieval Europe. and just like those, tanks require a lot of care and resources to maintain.

 

IMHO we'd be better off with Hitomaru (Type 10) since they're made for asians (which are mostly shorter than 180cm germans) but you know.....japan weapon ban on imports....not to mention they're more expensive, i heard


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View PostOtakubouzu, on 06 April 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

Not really an LT, its a Medium Tank. 35 tonnes is around Sherman's weight range.

I recall my friend say its deployment will be something like fire support or rapid reaction force.

 

Stingray is technically counted as an LT by current standards (being way lighter than MBTs). MMWT/Black Tiger is around that weight class, so by current standards it's an LT, really. fire support/rapid reaction is an LT's role. IMHO LTs nowadays are like cheaper alternatives to MBTs, which are generally not cheap to own and maintain (not that older tanks are any cheaper to maintain anyway, but they ARE mechanically simpler)



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Type 10 is more expensive due to R&D and production costs being spread to a smaller amount of tanks. 
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View PostConan, on 19 April 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

Type 10 is more expensive due to R&D and production costs being spread to a smaller amount of tanks. 
Unlike, say the Leopard, where those costs can be spread across thousands of units. 

 

good point conana. how much more expensive/cheaper you'd reckon the Type 10 would be if the cost were to be spread around as much as the Leopard 2?


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View PostThomChen114, on 18 April 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

and may it continue to remain that way. i'm not familiar with the security situation in Indonesia, but i can't imagine there's anything that requires a Leopard to blunder through a forest or slide off mountain roads (and i'm sure we have plenty of practice and experience at how well a tank survives a tumble down a slope) [unless it's Russian].

 

having MBTs is a status symbol for a modern military in the 21st century, similar to the way having Chariots were in the Bronze Age and Knights in medieval Europe. and just like those, tanks require a lot of care and resources to maintain.

 

​the leopard 2ri is specifically to cross Indonesian terrain, and also german engies have also a good experience on heavy terrain and uncross able places. that's why Indonesia choose the leopard2a and the ri type.

last time they want to get the Abrams ,but the budget and the condition on that tank was not good to Indonesia. so that's why they pick leopard , cause its perfect environment for the Indonesian terrain



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View PostConan, on 19 April 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

Type 10 is more expensive due to R&D and production costs being spread to a smaller amount of tanks. 
Unlike, say the Leopard, where those costs can be spread across thousands of units. 

 

​type 10 is so expensive cause mainly two reasons, first the tank is so advance just like the armata , second the tank is so easy to drive that an conscript can drive that tank


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View Postraptorssss, on 28 April 2018 - 03:30 AM, said:

 

​type 10 is so expensive cause mainly two reasons, first the tank is so advance just like the armata , second the tank is so easy to drive that an conscript can drive that tank

 

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View PostConan, on 07 May 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I still think the Philippines needs a proper armored force. Sorry, scratch that... I meant a proper military. 

 

you SURE they got less things to worry enough to warrant a "proper" military? as far as i'm concerned, improving their internet is a higher priority for the pinoys...


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View PostConan, on 07 May 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

I still think the Philippines needs a proper armored force. Sorry, scratch that... I meant a proper military. 

 

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