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Ensign_Brendoonigan #1 Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:38 PM

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Hi guys.

 

I've definitely going to work this line from it's release date and like my AMX 50B blog which you can find here Click here for my AMX 50B grind I'll give my thoughts on each and everyone of them as I progress up the tree. Alas I don't have 500k of free XP to get to tier X so it's all hard yards for me, well from tier 4 anyway! That's the P26/40.  Their's no airs or graces given and if you want a unicum's perspective you'll definitely not see it here. It's going to be an honest players perspective of them for the average player. NB: I won't be playing the tier 1-3 tanks as I feel that the cost of crewing them simply isn't worth it, so I won't be offering any feedback on them.

 

Anyways I'm looking forward to playing the line with it's unique play style (from tier 8) but being only an average player (but apparently improving, so I guess I'm doing something right) I'm looking forward to the challenge. I also know it's still around a month or so off, but with the premium coming out, I figure it'll be a good time to get some crews ready for the day it kicks off. My plan is to get use to the Auto reload system now, so I'll be a much better player using it once I hit tier 8 on the tree.

 

My initial thoughts on the line make me think that the first 7 tiers all look to be very German like (leopard line). This is my best performing line so it absolutely suits me down to the ground, they're easily my favourite tier 5-7 meds in game at the moment. Call me crazy but I can't wait to unlock the Indian Pzr, but that's another story for another time.

 

Back to the Progetto 46

 

The Premium Progetto 46 appears to run best with Rammer, Optics and Vert stabs for it's equipment setup so this will be the setup I initially run with. With it being a ridge line warrior (-9deg's gun depression) this new Auto reload system seems like an awesome setup, low dpm, but appears to be exceptionally effective for finishing off targets but we'll all have to learn a whole new approach to playing a hybrid auto loader. Time will tell though. Whatever you do though don't get caught by high pen TD's as I kinder feel that paper would be just as effective as the armour she has. It's wafer thin, so those TD's firing HE is going to cause real problems to her if you're spotted.

 

So far the best you-tube videos I've seen on the Progetto 46 are from QBaby, Dez Games and Flying_Elites you-tube channels, so if you want to see them in action they're a great start. I'll include links below, but they can also be found on other posts in the general discussions threads on our forum.

 

I do have a few questions to ponder though. 

 

1. Do they come in Ferrari red?

​2. Why is there no rearing Horse available as a logo? I don't think the elephant would feel the same.... lol

​3. How high of a skill ceiling will I need to be at to get the best out of them.

4. If there food is spaghetti and sauce, who gets pizza? 

 

Anyways the countdown is on for the premium 46, as it's available in the RU shop already. Maybe once the Somua SM sale finishes here, but I'll just have to wait and see.

 

Video links:

 

  Click here for Quicky Babies review

  Click here for DezGamezs review​

  Click here for Flying_Elites review for a local Asian server perspective​ NB: He has 2 great video's, this one and another where he does 5k damage

  Click here for Saffe's Twitch channel run with them. Unsure if Aus or Sea server but pretty sure it's AusNZ. This is great as theirs about 15 games here so you'll see it in different tiers and conditions. 

 

If I come across any other good videos on them, I'll post them here as well.

 

Anyways whilst I'm waiting I'll have plenty of time to continue the AMX 50B grind (but I'm hoping not too much time) and I have to say I'm looking forward to the journey ahead with you all.

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 07 April 2018 - 05:01 PM.

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2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


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Video's of the Italian line will be listed here as I come across them.

 

DezGamez Italian tank overview Tiers 1-10 - dated 10th March 

DezGamez Tier X CT review - 15-April

 

Below is Skill4ltu's review on it. Inc' it in a Tier X game.

 

 

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 15 April 2018 - 08:06 AM.

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British Line (Conqueror & Challenger), Chinese Lines (T34-2, 111 5A & WZ-131), French Line (AMX M4 mle. 45), German Line (Leopard PTA), Italian Line (P43.ter). 

2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


Ensign_Brendoonigan #3 Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:35 AM

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Updated Italian tanks on the CT server. Shows final paint schemes on them all and as Dez releases them over the next few days I'll make sure to include his reviews on the top tiers. 


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2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


Ensign_Brendoonigan #4 Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:46 AM

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Well the challenge has put a spanner in the works for me as I was expecting to just fork out the $50 odd dollars for the Progetto 46 and be playing it this weekend. However as you can't currently buy the tank other than as the bundle (I'd say the plain packages will be out after the 2 week challenge is completed), I guess I'll have to do some hard grinding to get upto the 50% off area. This gives me a figure around $43.53 (AUD) price tag. This seems okay imho, as you get the boosters, credits and equipment as well for basically the price of a normal tank. It's definitely a marketing ploy and rather annoying, but well all it's really doing is delaying my purchase for 1 maybe 2 weeks as a worst case scenario it's not the end of the world. 

 

After watching Dez's video on them all, I'd say the tier 7 is going to be fairly difficult to play, solely because it on paper appears to be a worse tank than the tier 6. (gun wise) This seems really weird to be honest as you'd think they'd be improving but it's early days, and they're on the test server to test before releasing. Time will tell. Otherwise nothing I've seen here has turned me off playing the line as yet...

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 14 April 2018 - 06:47 AM.

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2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


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25 games in thoughts on the Progetto 46.

 

Well, this is not an easy tank to drive. I often do module damage and no actual damage to the tank which has made for a very frustrating experience. Throw in not having a crew with 6th sense or any other skills whilst fighting against tier X's the vast majority of time, and I'm the first to say I've had an incredibly difficult start to the line. (NB: 15 of my 25 were against tier X opponents, 8 against tier IX, so only 2 as top tier).

 

I'm still learning how to play to it's speed, as it's fast, agile and turns on a dime! After driving heavies she initially felt completely uncontrollable, and I've had to make a few corrections to avoid some really embarrassing positions.

 

Armour, get spotted and you're effectively dead. You have no armour and my 2 games as top tier even had tier 6's easily penning me. However as top tier this tank is strong, bordering OP owing to it's ability to clip out multiple opponents. However when bottom tier I've really, and I mean really struggled. Now my crew is 81% towards there first skill and all of a sudden I'm seeing better results, however I can't wait for 6th sense to make my life so much easier.      

 

Gun handling wise, I find her either seriously good or plain terrible. Again a better crew will help to alleviate this and give much better constancy. As the crew and I have adjusted to her game style, so have my results improved. However I struggle to pen higher tiers even from the side, and I don't like using APCR when flanking which is frustrating. Surprisingly I get a lot of module damage out of her, just at the moment I'm struggling to get constant good games in her as module damage doesn't always equate to assisted damage.

 

This tank is way out of left field for me and I have to admit my first 20 games were absolute shockers. It didn't help I only had 1 top tier game in there but alas you can only work with the cards you're dealt with. My next 5 had great results though and I feel I'm only now starting to feel comfortable playing her.

 

This is a really high skillset tank and if you can spare a female commander to go in her for your commander then do so as it'll make your life a heck of a lot easier. I know I'd have preferred using one. lol.

 

My crew has 3 Repairs and Snap shot on the gunner. Commander will swap to 6th sense at 100% and then I'll have to decide between repairs and Situational Awareness then. 

 

Oh and the Italian limited edition camo is superb.

 

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Edit: 31 games and my crews are now at 89% on there first skill. Definitely starting to get that missing consistency now with my last 10 games averaging between 750-2k (although one ended very early compliments of a one shot from a blasted 183 for a whopping zero damage). I have a long way to repair my first 20 games, but I'm now starting to enjoy playing her. I don't know if I could recommend her though as very specialised, high skill and unless you're going to do the Italian line probably not worth the cost.

 

 


Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 24 April 2018 - 09:01 PM.

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2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


Puggsley #6 Posted 26 April 2018 - 11:44 AM

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It very much rewards good situational awareness, like all autoloaders.

 

This one throws in that extra challenge to not blaze away until you are sure you can either get away unscathed for a long reload, or clip them out. In the meantime it is a single shot harasser, leaving 2 in reserve to keep DPM high.

 

 


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View PostPuggsley, on 26 April 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

It very much rewards good situational awareness, like all autoloaders.

 

This one throws in that extra challenge to not blaze away until you are sure you can either get away unscathed for a long reload, or clip them out. In the meantime it is a single shot harasser, leaving 2 in reserve to keep DPM high.

 

 

 

​You're not wrong there. I've noticed that I have to keep an extremely close eye on the reload timer as I know I've lost reloading shells in the heat of the moment. I've just started the crew into the second skill now so I'll be retraining the commander and Loader to 6th sense and Safe Stowage. This tank gets ammo racked an awful lot. Way more than I've ever been effected so it's definitely a needed skill. Then I just have to decide if the commander relearns repairs, Sit awareness or Jack of all trades. In light of what seems like the crew loosing a member with every shell that hits you I'm actually thinking JoaT, but I've a little time still to decide.

 

So far 52 games played with a whole 2 at top tier.... Yeah for MM.......  (My tank be cursed)....


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35 so far for me, averaging 60% WR, and got the first skill at 32 games, 6th sense is kind of nice, but the prog still likes cautious play. 

 

Even top tier the 3 shots are not enough to just clip out a lot of Tier 6 MT tanks.



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View PostPuggsley, on 02 May 2018 - 10:14 AM, said:

35 so far for me, averaging 60% WR, and got the first skill at 32 games, 6th sense is kind of nice, but the prog still likes cautious play. 

 

Even top tier the 3 shots are not enough to just clip out a lot of Tier 6 MT tanks.

 

Its ok, normally you have at least one of the other three Prog's on your team with you to finish them off.



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Fair point.

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I've picked up the p26/40 and wowsers I have to say it's a lot stronger than I thought it was going to be.  It's sluggish, lightly armoured, yet that gun packs one hell of a punch. You'll still get bounces from the armour especially when top tier, but I've tried to avoid being shot as it's still pretty flimsy.

 

I'v loaded her out with a 75% crew, vents, rammer and binos. My only free xp was to the second gun, otherwise after 4 games I've upgraded everything bar the radio. 

 

The only issue I've experienced so far, was against a tier 6 [Japanese] med. Frustratingly every shot including heat bounced. Otherwise the gun hits really hard, dispersion is terrible (but then we're tier 4), but the reloads really good. As yet my only death has been to friendly fire (arty) so I've found the survivability to be really good.

 

I'm expecting this tank to be nerfed as after playing her it's seriously strong for her tier.


Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 03 May 2018 - 01:33 PM.

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I've finished the P26/40 and have to say she's a okay. I found her to be a tank of extremes, it's either well over performing or does next to nothing. The Dispersion and shell speed make her suffer a lot but when the stars align she's mind blowingly good. She has good gun depression meaning I enjoyed a lot of peek and shot and her turret definitely bounced a lot of shells.

 

 

I quickly moved onto the P.43 and picked up 4 mastery's over 5 games. Now this was an indication that either all the good players skipped past her, or it's a terrible tank. Personally I found her to be effective against most opposition, even up to tier 7. I finished her after 27 games and had picked up a ridiculous 14 Mastery's in her. It got to the point where it felt the Ace was worthless and win or lose here's my mastery. Did I deserve them all, definitely not, however my last game got me my very best result of 1.5k XP, so I knew I'd finally had one I'd thoroughly deserved.

 

Here's a comparison on the 2 tanks performances and to be honest they're amazingly similar in my opinion.

 

 

I found them both very consistent and had positive damage and destruction ratio's. They're not front line but stay too far back nothing hits. As it was I averaged only 62% hit rates on them because of there poor shell velocity. Peek a boom over hills is a great option but use concealment to get the first shot in, then pull back, relocate, then repeat. Both tanks armour is okay for meds but you won't bounce to much.

 

My only disappointment with them was I never picked up a Top gun in them. I would constantly get a tank down to a one shot and another tank would grab the kill. however they'd have to be some of my best destruction ratio's I've had in a tank.

 

In effect the tier 5 is just the same tank slightly improved, with much worse HE when using the top gun but fighting against tier 7 opponents. 

 

Now the question is would I keep them or recommend them? This is tough,

 

P26/40. I'm going to keep the tier 4 solely in garage because other than a couple of tier 4's lights I don't have any others so at least I can plat with someone at this tier. However I wouldn't play her again unless I suddenly felt the need to play this tier again. 

 

P.43.  Yes but No, I love my tier 5 meds, but I can't get past that it's a dirty tank to me, those 14 Mastery's have left a bit of a black mark on her in my opinion. Yes I did have an absolute blinder of a run in in her, but then I already have 2 tier 5's which I already enjoy playing. (PZIII/IV and the T-34) I struggle to make time for them, so another just doesn't seem necessary. Is it a good tank, yes it is, contrary to a lot of reviews which basically say it's just the tier 4 fighting against tier 7's. This tank holds it's own really, really well against all tiers and if I hadn't had the other 2 med's I would have kept her. Maybe once I get tired of them I'll buy her again.

 

Once I've ground out some more credits I'll be moving up the P.43 bis which I've heard good things about so it'll be interesting to compare them all.

 

Good luck with your grind.

 


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British Line (Conqueror & Challenger), Chinese Lines (T34-2, 111 5A & WZ-131), French Line (AMX M4 mle. 45), German Line (Leopard PTA), Italian Line (P43.ter). 

2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


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This is what I had to do to what I felt was worth a Mastery in my P.43 (Tier 7 match).

 

 

Good damage and spotting numbers. (I used Bino's, Vents and Rammer). Disappointing though with only the one kill.

 

 

Note the accuracy here was really, really bad, but when she penned she hit. No Idea about why the cost to reload was so low. I must have had spare ammo from all the changes I'd been doing. Oh wait that's only 1k base XP, 1.5 with Premium.

 

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Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 07 May 2018 - 07:31 AM.

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2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


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P26/40 was interesting with its interesting 75mm gun and a decent HE shell. It's a standout among the lower tier Italian tanks, as it also has some decent armor that makes it a bit more survivable. 

 

The P.43 is...bland IMO. It's top gun isn't that much different from most other tier 5 medium tanks such as the Skoda T24 or Strv m42, though it has some decent armor for its tier compared to those. It's not a total letdown like the French or Japanese, but without a derp gun like the M4 or PzIV(H) or a needler like the T-34/57, it's not worth sticking around with.

 

The P.43 bis is were things will get interesting for the Italian's, possibly the biggest gun among tier 6 MTs that isn't a howitzer. And with a decent rate of fire too.


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Actually... Italian line is heavily influenced by the German. From the lower tier to tier 10... to be honest.

The tier 8, is a panther, the tier 9 is a Leopard PT but Type B. Tier 10 is based on Leopard Design.
Difference is that they're armed with Auto-reloader mechanism. Pretty much can be rewarding or downright punishing for people that pushes alot. 

It can't go 1vs1 in a direct confrontation, it can't outshot anything directly. But with the autoreloader mechanism... you pretty much - > let the enemy fire , or eat a shell, but trade off giving them 2/3 shells in. And back off.
You don't stay in front of the fight. Overall, the tanks are pretty rewarding. It can't tank, but it can dishes out more at one point in time.

The Tier 8 is... a lil average, due to the clip being only 2. But for some people it is quite good *although some say its not as good as the Progetto 46*

 

The Tier 9 is... quite broken... in a way, its armed with similar gun to Leopard, but with autoreloader mechanism. Take it as playing Leo PTA, but having 3 clips with interclip firing mechanism. Its nearly if not identical to the tier.
It has good speed, and gun depression. Can work well at ridge to certain degree. Downside is... Well the gun dispersion is quite awful. and you usually would be in dilemma whether to use Vert Stab, Rammer,  Coated Optics,.... Or Vert Stab, GLD and Coated Optics. The reload is long... really long. It makes batchat reload seems really fast.



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I'v picked up the tier 6. Free xpd everything except the engine (stock) but am trying to decide if I should go

 

Rammer, GLD and optics or vents

 

Or drop GLD to have both optics and vents.

 

Basically the view range is seriously poor but the 2.4 sec aim time is terrible....


Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 12 May 2018 - 08:47 AM.

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I've got rammer, vents, and binocs atm. I've deliberated switching out the binocs for optics, but that may be more worth it once I've got the current commander with at least 6th sense, and at best the entire crew to have BIA perk. But I think the current setup works fine, both when bottom or top tier. When top tier, the P.43 bis can really bully the crap out of most tanks it faces with that 90mm gun, and as there are a lot of relatively blind tanks at low tiers you can easily out spot them from a good position while you aim. And when bottom tier, you snipe as much as you can anyways.

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I hadn't considered binos but recently I placed them and vents together onto my Fury and my damage output on her has gone through the roof owing to her rof and that 489m view range, so I know how effective that combo is at this tier. I'll give it a go for a day to see how much it compares.

 

I'm really surprised over just how strong this tank is, but omg even now with the top engine her power to weight is not great.  Almost heavy tank like. Stock she's at 12, moves up to 13 then ends on 15 now she's fully upgraded... yikes. However that gun hits seriously hard. My highest XP is 1220 in a game with her but that's only good enough for a 3rd class, so there are some good players running her atm.

 

This is how my stats look after 9 games. Their is still the growing consistency with the damage output that the tier 4 & 5's also had, but I have to work on the finishing off here, as I feel it needs to be well above 1 imho like the tier 4 & 5's were.  

 


 

 

It's early days but it'll be interesting to see if I enjoy her more than the Vk30.01D, which is easily my favorite tier 6 med. The P.43 bis has certainly been a lot of fun to play but can I get her to the same 60+% wr the Vk has.   

 

Time will tell. 


Edited by Ensign_Brendoonigan, 13 May 2018 - 07:57 AM.

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After finishing the grind to the tier 7 from the P43.bis I've happily moved on to what I feel is a far superior tank. I ended up with very mixed success and feelings with the bis, I'm sure a more experienced player would have had better results but I found the following to be a real issue.

 

1. sluggish, 

2. Mobility

3. one shots

4. constant crew lose

5. constant damaged modules.

 

However I marched on through and grabbed the P43.trs and OMG it's a huge step up. I've had great success with the gun, it's got great mobility and have thoroughly enjoyed playing her. She's been a very lucky tank for me, and that extra mobility has meant I'm much more able to move around the field. Who cares if I'm bottom tier, I've found that the extra mobility means I'm in a position to help/relocate vs trying to survive.  

I've managed to get some useful bounces of the turret because of the -7 degrees of gun depression but you can't rely on the armour as it doesn't really have any. IE: if the flank fails relocate, relocate, relocate! It's only failing though imho is that dispersion, 0.38 is bad but has been workable for me. Just don't count on it for those important shots. 

 

One important aspect for me is that I very rarely use APCR in her. I only carry 10, but I'd be lucky to use them against anything but the higher tiered super heavies. Although I do recall trying them against a T-54 and I don't bother now as let just say it was just like throwing money down the drain. 

 

So this is what I look like after 46 games, I'm almost exactly half way until the tier 8, P44. Pantera. I have a goal to increase my damage output by 20-30% by the time I can move on and it shouldn't be that hard as a few extras shots here and there should get it easy.

 


 

I can honestly say I much prefer playing the tier 7 over the tier 6 which seems odd as most people I know prefer it the other way, but then each to there own.

 

Ensign

 


Ensign

To Leopard 1, or not to Leopard 1 is the question!

British Line (Conqueror & Challenger), Chinese Lines (T34-2, 111 5A & WZ-131), French Line (AMX M4 mle. 45), German Line (Leopard PTA), Italian Line (P43.ter). 

2nd MOE: PZ III/IV, T-34


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I decided to start at the 7 so can't really comment on the 6. Have to say it's rather comfy, tho the shell velocity takes some getting used to.

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