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Is panther/M10 DPM not enough against other well balanced premium tier 7s?

  1. no enough (5 votes [38.46%] - View)

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  2. yes its DPM is enough (7 votes [53.85%] - View)

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NameWasStolenStresslevel #1 Posted 19 June 2018 - 10:10 PM

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I just purchased this premium tier 7 tank because i am tired of playing pz.hydrostat to train my german medium crew, and after playing some 30 battles on it, i realized this tank is preferential MM because it needs to. I hope russian WG makes this tank a good well rounder when it remove this tank from preferential match maker in the future.

 

Panther/M10 is an average tier 6.5 tank, with low DPM compared to other tier 7s and its slow making this tank a bit awkward to climb slopes in time to take control of important positions.

 

this tank have nothign special going for it, all other premiums have something special, this tank is just too normal. One good thing to do to make it unique would be to buff its rate of fire to some 5 shells less per minute when compared to e25, that would make this tank unique (currently e25 fires about 8 shells more per minute than the panther/m10)

 

low points:

-It has lower DPM than tanks like VK30.02 and E25;

-the low alpha doesnt match the low DPM;

-it has low view range;

-its big, so no camo values, and arty will focus it;

-it has kinda more HP than others, but then again its big;

-it has different crew layot from leopard line;

 

good points:

 

-pen is okay since its preferential MM;

-gun depression is average;

-it has almost same stats as T43 (russian tier 7);

-turret is small and thats it.

 

 

it seems the low points are more than the good points, i might be wrong for not having included soft stats guns that are kinda good, but this tank is too big for so low rate of fire, i think this tank could be the pew pew gun king tank??? It would be fun if its (gross) rate of fire was a round 3 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds. Ofc i might be wrong, but then again thats what the forums are for. 

 

 

It could get a buff in rate of fire?

 

thx.

 

i noticed this tank is a good credt maker even without boosters, but because it has low rate of fire it can get cant do what its turret and soft gun stats are invinting for: Constantly shooting.


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Its supposedly a good tank, but i find that the neither the armor, HP or DPM save it as a good tank for me. Do terribly in it.

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From what I've just read I'm assuming you haven't played the tank much. I've played it for over 300 games and consider myself decent at it. Here's my opinion 

 

low points:

-It has lower DPM than tanks like VK30.02 and E25; It actually has higher DPM than the VK 30.02M and why would you bother comparing the tank to an E-25? That thing is broken af

-the low alpha doesnt match the low DPM; The alpha is perfectly acceptable and its DPM is not bad at all. If you compare it will all the tier 7 MTs, its got one of the highest DPM

-it has low view range; Its useable and could be far worse

-its big, so no camo values, and arty will focus it; This I agree with

-it has kinda more HP than others, but then again its big; Its large HP Pool makes up for its large size

-it has different crew layot from leopard line; No, its got an extra crew space for a radio operator, It can still train up a leopard crew

 

good points:

 

-pen is okay since its preferential MM; Meh I guess so

-gun depression is average; I personally classify 8 degrees of gun depression as above average but thats just a matter of perspective

-it has almost same stats as T43 (russian tier 7); Not even close, the T43's gun handling is garbage compared to the M/10. Proof: Link to tanks.gg

-turret is small and thats it. You might need to go to spec savers and get a pair of glasses cause the M/10 has one of the biggest turrets at tier 7. Its bigger than most heavies. Trying to hide it is pretty tough and it also affects your camo value in a negative way

I would recommended playing more battles (at least 50) before drawing any conclusions. The Panther M/10 is a highly capable tier 7 medium and a beast of a tank if played correctly. It does not need any buffs in its current state. 


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View PostDefiant_Duck, on 20 June 2018 - 06:30 AM, said:

From what I've just read I'm assuming you haven't played the tank much. I've played it for over 300 games and consider myself decent at it. Here's my opinion 

 

low points:

-It has lower DPM than tanks like VK30.02 and E25; It actually has higher DPM than the VK 30.02M and why would you bother comparing the tank to an E-25? That thing is broken af

-the low alpha doesnt match the low DPM; The alpha is perfectly acceptable and its DPM is not bad at all. If you compare it will all the tier 7 MTs, its got one of the highest DPM

-it has low view range; Its useable and could be far worse

-its big, so no camo values, and arty will focus it; This I agree with

-it has kinda more HP than others, but then again its big; Its large HP Pool makes up for its large size

-it has different crew layot from leopard line; No, its got an extra crew space for a radio operator, It can still train up a leopard crew

 

good points:

 

-pen is okay since its preferential MM; Meh I guess so

-gun depression is average; I personally classify 8 degrees of gun depression as above average but thats just a matter of perspective

-it has almost same stats as T43 (russian tier 7); Not even close, the T43's gun handling is garbage compared to the M/10. Proof: Link to tanks.gg

-turret is small and thats it. You might need to go to spec savers and get a pair of glasses cause the M/10 has one of the biggest turrets at tier 7. Its bigger than most heavies. Trying to hide it is pretty tough and it also affects your camo value in a negative way

 

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But yeah, not sure why the M10 would need a buff considering its strengths.

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View PostEzz, on 20 June 2018 - 10:11 AM, said:

 

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But yeah, not sure why the M10 would need a buff considering its strengths.

 

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View PostEzz, on 20 June 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

 

But yeah, not sure why the M10 would need a buff considering its strengths.

 

I'd take a free buf to the M10. Doesn't need it, but I'll have it anyway.


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I'd imagine the Panther/M10 would be more comparable to the Panther if WG decides to trade its pref MM status and buff it. 

 

other than keeping the historical L70 and not giving it the comically long L100, maybe give a global boost to the 7.5cm L70 penetration and make it so that sniping does not mean loading the gold premium ammunition. 

 

maybe give it slightly more HP to further make up for its size (or not) and buff the view range.


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View PostDefiant_Duck, on 20 June 2018 - 04:30 AM, said:

-turret is small and thats it. You might need to go to spec savers and get a pair of glasses

 

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View PostThomChen114, on 20 June 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

I'd imagine the Panther/M10 would be more comparable to the Panther if WG decides to trade its pref MM status and buff it. 

 

other than keeping the historical L70 and not giving it the comically long L100, maybe give a global boost to the 7.5cm L70 penetration and make it so that sniping does not mean loading the gold premium ammunition. 

 

maybe give it slightly more HP to further make up for its size (or not) and buff the v view range.

 

Let it shoot APCR by default, and heap up on soft stats and mobility to make up for the awkward tank design.


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View Post_EzioAuditore_, on 20 June 2018 - 04:31 AM, said:

Its supposedly a good tank, but i find that the neither the armor, HP or DPM save it as a good tank for me. Do terribly in it.

 

yeah, it also have a big turret as someone above said, it should have better view range, or at least better RoF!

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View PostDefiant_Duck, on 20 June 2018 - 05:30 AM, said:

From what I've just read I'm assuming you haven't played the tank much. I've played it for over 300 games and consider myself decent at it. Here's my opinion 

 

low points:

-It has lower DPM than tanks like VK30.02 and E25; It actually has higher DPM than the VK 30.02M and why would you bother comparing the tank to an E-25? That thing is broken af

-the low alpha doesnt match the low DPM; The alpha is perfectly acceptable and its DPM is not bad at all. If you compare it will all the tier 7 MTs, its got one of the highest DPM

-it has low view range; Its useable and could be far worse

-its big, so no camo values, and arty will focus it; This I agree with

-it has kinda more HP than others, but then again its big; Its large HP Pool makes up for its large size

-it has different crew layot from leopard line; No, its got an extra crew space for a radio operator, It can still train up a leopard crew

 

good points:

 

-pen is okay since its preferential MM; Meh I guess so

-gun depression is average; I personally classify 8 degrees of gun depression as above average but thats just a matter of perspective

-it has almost same stats as T43 (russian tier 7); Not even close, the T43's gun handling is garbage compared to the M/10. Proof: Link to tanks.gg

-turret is small and thats it. You might need to go to spec savers and get a pair of glasses cause the M/10 has one of the biggest turrets at tier 7. Its bigger than most heavies. Trying to hide it is pretty tough and it also affects your camo value in a negative way

I would recommended playing more battles (at least 50) before drawing any conclusions. The Panther M/10 is a highly capable tier 7 medium and a beast of a tank if played correctly. It does not need any buffs in its current state. 

 

1. i thought i read somewhere in the stat list that there is a german tier 7 tank that has "vk and 02" in its name (so many german tanks has similar name) and it has better view range than the poor panther/m10

 

2. on the wiki site for world of tanks it says that panther/m10 have a low profile turret, and i might have mistankely understood this as if the turret was small (low profile and small are different things i know), but i have never really taken a close look on its turret when around other tanks, to be able to tell the difference, also the turret was never a problem for me or getting hit on it often enough to notice that its big. But i will take a second look on it today, to compare its size to other tanks.

 

3. if the turret is big like u said, and the tank is big, then view range should be better, you said the view range its useable, that doesnt mean its enough

 

4. yes the crew layout fits the leopard line, but not perfectly, you cant use your commander's situational awereness skill on panther/m10 since thats gonna be the radio's operator jobs to use, the commander have that skill disabled and unless you have a trained radio man with situational awereness already on the panther m10, u will have to train it separetly since u cant use radioman on leopard line from around tier 7-8 until lepard 1. Waste of slot on the commander with a disabled greyed out skill slot.

 

5. i was mentioning T43 as similar stats because of similar mobility and similar RoF which leads to similar play style, but i used the garage comparison feature too and not GG tanks website to take this conclusion, but sure the stats arent similar, specially because m10 is preferential MM, buut T43 "stats similarity" i meant was more about the rate of fire than the actual gun stats. But okay i know many people will not aggree with that.

 

 

Okay then, you dont want the panther/m10 to be buffed alright thats okay, but remember that everything in this game that doesnt get buffed, does get nerfed eventually. So i am attempting to stop that nerf from occuring by suggesting it to be buffed (and saying the truth, that the panther/m10 is a normal tank, needs to be better than normal i guessed) Ofc many will disagree.

 

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View PostEzz, on 20 June 2018 - 07:11 AM, said:

 

Now that you've found the forums... a brief heads up, the moderators for reasons get super triggered when anyone uses red text.

 

But yeah, not sure why the M10 would need a buff considering its strengths.

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it needs a buff because if doesnt need a buff then it needs a nerf on WG logic...

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View Postspacewolf, on 20 June 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

 

I'd take a free buf to the M10. Doesn't need it, but I'll have it anyway.

 

what about the rate of fire or the view range? I am totally expecting this to get buffed someday because this tank needs an update.

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View Postmttspiii, on 20 June 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

 

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Let it shoot APCR by default, and heap up on soft stats and mobility to make up for the awkward tank design.

 

i dont need glasses. The turret isnt so big, the tank needs a buff. Capicce?

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View PostNameWasStolenStresslevel, on 23 June 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

i dont need glasses. The turret isnt so big, the tank needs a buff. Capicce?

 

Maybe you could suggest to WG that they change it to a normal MM tank. That way it might get a buff and everyone's happy right...

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View PostNameWasStolenStresslevel, on 23 June 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

 

i dont need glasses. The turret isnt so big, the tank needs a buff. Capicce?

 

Which is why 3 buffs were suggested: increased pen (by spamming APCR by default like the SARL 42), better terrain resistance, and Russian hovermed gun handling.

 

View range is iffy; it gets preferential MM and thus meets tier 5 & 6 a lot more often. You'd likely have to give up preferential MM to get a noticeable VR buff; otherwise a 10-meter VR buff lets you see maybe a KV-2 earlier, but not much else.


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Try Pudel... tier 6 targets are easier to farm than tier 7


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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 02 August 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

Try Pudel... tier 6 targets are easier to farm than tier 7

 

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Because Poodle is essentially a PzM10 with less HP and corridor maps will not be auto-lose when top tier or mid tier






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