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Warhammer124 #1 Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:16 PM

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I was sick and tired of this pathetic 44% win rate I have in my service record. I finally managed to get rid of it and get better at the game. Now, a losing streak is shoved up my face. I used to get 1 loss in every 4-5 matches, now its 3 losses in every 4-5 matches. Why is this happening is this part of the system? Also, please don't go saying its my fault that i'm losing. Is it really my fault that

 

- My LTs are always camping or not doing their jobs, so we cannot get any targets hit?

 

- Team can't survive even 1 minute? Seriously. How is this my fault that in 1 minute the game score is 1:6?

 

- I'm bottom tier 70-80% of the time. How can a bottom tier ARL 44 carry a team? Sure, I can make a difference, but with all the above going on, that "difference" doesn't matter.

 

- Always targeted by arty. This is really not my fault. Those FV304s always pick me for a snack and they fire at me mercilessly. By the time I reach the location I need to be at, I'm only left with like 10% of my HP. Take 1 more hit, and its rip for me.

 

So please explain the game system to me. I don't want to have to be back at 44% win rate again...


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JimmyJim #2 Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:25 PM

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If you are forever bottom tier, this means there are lot of tier 7/8 players online now. You should either tier down or tier up so that you get better MM, if you keep playing the same tier 6 and complain about forever bottom tier, it's not going to help you or your ability to carry games :)

 

Also if you are bottom tier HT, then you should just stay behind the top tier and try to support your top tier at the front. If you rush forward you are just going to get 3 shot and die from the game. Sometime playing bottom tier need a lot more patience than playing as a top tier. But camping at useless position that can't support your top tier is a big no no, if they die you lost the game.

 

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Try to go through places where you can't get spotted, else do a delayed push so person spotting that place has gone away. As bottom tier play more of a support role instead, help your higher tier allies by covering if they get pushed or shoot enemies if they push and draw attention.

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None of those reasons is really valid for poor performance.

 

RNG will give you bad teams sometimes, and great teams others. It will balance out in the end. All players suffer from bottom tier MM unless they play exclusively TX. 

 

It is very easy to suffer from confirmation bias about why you are not performing as you should and look for external issues. Arty is a classic for this. The average arty per game is about 1.3, yet people will swear black and blue they always face 3 arty game after game. They remember the 2 games where there was three, and forget the 20 times where there was 1 or zero. OK arty may have given you a touch up in those 2 games if you are incredibly unlucky, but what about the other games where that was not the case?

 

The only thing you can control is what you do. Tanks choice is one where you control what tank you take to battle. It will be hard if you take a relatively weak tank because that's what you are grinding, but figuring out how to help your team is your job. All players face the the bottom tier curse except for TX.

 

Post replays of a couple of games and people will be able to help you out, its impossible to offer any meaningful assistance based on 4 issues which all players face.



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Sometimes, your dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't. I was top tier in my IS-2 the other day  on sand river.

So, myself and a KV-2 (I think) pushed into the ravine, i go a couple of hits against the enemy, and then attempted to cross to the other side and got smashed by TD's and AMX M4-45, leaving me on perilously low health.

 

In the end i switched map sides, in an effort to do anything, and stay alive. Arty on our team wasn't happy with this approach.

Sometimes, this game just deals shite hands (more often than not) just do your best mate.



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Was it your fault when you were winning 4 out of 5? You had a run of 80% wins and now you are running 40% wins. I have a feeling it will eventually balance out I don't know, around 45%.

Angmar_ #7 Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:28 AM

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In most lower tier heavy tanks, when I'm bottom tier (tier -2) I tend to play it like I'm in a bad medium tank. Your ARL is likely better off supporting some mediums then trying to brawl with heavy tanks from higher tiers, at least until you get good enough at spotting safe shots you can take to support the higher tier heavies.

FramFramson #8 Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:03 PM

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Are we talking 45% overall or 45% recents? This is kinda important.

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Warhammer124 #9 Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:38 PM

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View PostFramFramson, on 11 July 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

Are we talking 45% overall or 45% recents? This is kinda important.

 

45% overall
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FramFramson #10 Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:04 PM

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Ah. Well just worry about recents then. Forget overall.

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Mother_Of_All_Rommel #11 Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:17 PM

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View PostFramFramson, on 11 July 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

Ah. Well just worry about recents then. Forget overall.

Players should only worry about how they perform in last 50-100 game. Which is the reason why lose streak of 9-15 are very frustating.


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FramFramson #12 Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:41 PM

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Yeah, but that's one day. It happens.

 

I mean I've had multiple 20-game loss streaks. I KNOW.


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Proloser_The_Atomistic #13 Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:31 PM

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View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 11 July 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Players should only worry about how they perform in last 50-100 game. Which is the reason why lose streak of 9-15 are very frustating.

 

No better over 1000 battles. 50-100 is too small of a sample to get a stable result. 

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View PostProloser_The_Atomistic, on 11 July 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

No better over 1000 battles. 50-100 is too small of a sample to get a stable result. 

9 lose streak worth shit in 1k game, but huge in 50. The game you lose/win 1 month ago have zero value compared to 9 lose streak you have 3 hours ago.


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Proloser_The_Atomistic #15 Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:53 PM

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That makes no sense.

 

As you said, a 9 loss streak isn't worth anything over 1000 battles but it's big when you're only counting 50. Exactly the reason you check your performance over more battles (i.e, 1000) to get a better idea of how you are performing because it's not affected as much by RNG (lucky win/loss streaks). 


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View PostProloser_The_Atomistic, on 11 July 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

That makes no sense.

 

As you said, a 9 loss streak isn't worth anything over 1000 battles but it's big when you're only counting 50. Exactly the reason you check your performance over more battles (i.e, 1000) to get a better idea of how you are performing because it's not affected as much by RNG (lucky win/loss streaks). 

Im not talking about performence over 2-3 months span, im talking about current streaks. Plus, 1k game probably take count the game you win/lose 20 days ago. Why the hell you wanna count game that took 20 days ago into consideration when the streak that happen effect you today.

 

edit- didnt notice i miss something there. Im bloody sure i typed it already :D


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So not talking about performance yet concerned with winning or losing....  K. 

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AlexTheKid72 #18 Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:08 AM

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I had a 30 losses out of 32 games streak in the weekend. During said losses I picked up 7 high calibres and 3 masteries, played terrible in the wins lol.

(Sh)it happens ........

 


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@Ezz Its like people don't understand playing better means losing less #TheMoreYouKnow

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View Post_EzioAuditore_, on 12 July 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

@Ezz Its like people don't understand playing better means losing less #TheMoreYouKnow

 

I think mother's comments about a smaller sample were perhaps not well phrased or something. Basically if you want to know how well you are progressing at the moment you want a sample size both large enough to flatten out any streaks, and small enough to look beyond what may have happened on your account years ago. Wotlabs uses 1000 battles which fits for most people's needs. It's arbitrary of course but at least gets around the issue of streaks. 

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