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Bash_sh #121 Posted 31 July 2018 - 02:14 PM

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How do you know when WG'ng is lying ?

When they open their mouths and/or do a press release and/or the publish a "WG notice"

 

How do you know when WG'ng is NOT lying

When they are dead NEVER


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View Postksthegreat91, on 31 July 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

Incoming Defender buff.

Swap out its gun for IS3 BL-9 :P


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View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 31 July 2018 - 06:16 AM, said:

Swap out its gun for IS3 BL-9 :P

 

Oh I forgot. There's already a Defender buff. It's the Polish 50T (already on Presales on EU)

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View Postksthegreat91, on 31 July 2018 - 06:26 AM, said:

 

Oh I forgot. There's already a Defender buff. It's the Polish 50T (already on Presales on EU)

 

I resisted the Defender (can't even recall why now....) but I for one welcome our new Polish OPverlords...

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LOL half a year what a joke , well ill start playing/spending again in half a year then if i havent found something better in the mean time .

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The problem with MM isn't PMM tanks, the problem is this template system, it's utterly rage inducing. Always bottom tier, 1 out of 10-15 games get to be top tier, it's just not fun playing any more. So what that there are only 3 top tier, you will almost always run into them, then you will die, rinse and repeat.

 

By limiting the number of top tier tanks in a match you reduce the frequency at which players get to be top tier by a huge amount. Used to be 30-40% of games at top, now it's <10%



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Hello people,
I am constantly monitoring the situation of matchmaking since July 2018. I want to have numbers on my side (not only opinions) and eventually be able to recognize improvements from the WG development team. This is the results considering only the 3-5-7 games on Tier 4 or higher matches:

 

3-5-7 Total 313  
Top Tier 18 5.75%
Middle Tier 84 26.84%
Bottom Tier 211 67.41%


And if you want to know if there is any kind of improvement... well in the last two days I was playing as bottom tier for the 76% of the time. Funny, isn't it?

 



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I wouldn't say it's particularly funny, no.

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View Postmorisurari, on 11 September 2018 - 06:02 PM, said:

 This is the results considering only the 3-5-7 games on Tier 4 or higher 

 

Nice data. For clarity can you confirm it was all tier 4 - 8 and none platooned. As tooning tends to skew things.


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View PostEzz, on 11 September 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

Nice data. For clarity can you confirm it was all tier 4 - 8 and none platooned. As tooning tends to skew things.

 

It was all Tier from 4 to 8, only on the 3-5-7 template mode matches. None of them played in platoon.

The stats of the 5-10 template mode is 25% top tier and 75% bottom tier, but it doesn't make me mad as the 3-5-7 (especially if I am part of the 7). But if you sum the two percentages as a bottom tier (excluding the same tier matches) it sounds amazing: I played as bottom tier 69,34% of the time.



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7/15 = 47%

10/15 = 67%

 

Oh well



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The frustrating part is more like

 

Why do most of bottom tier games end up being losses



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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 11 September 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

7/15 = 47%

10/15 = 67%

 

Oh well

 

You got it!

I am not saying I want to play the 50% of the matches as highest tier. I just want to play one match every five (3/15) as top tier. But we are very very far away from that. So screw you matchmaking!

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 11 September 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

The frustrating part is more like

 

Why do most of bottom tier games end up being losses

 

Because you have to contribute the equivalent of two top tiers to have a consistently positive impact.

 

Yesterday, I played a game on Siegfried line in my T-44-100. I hadn't have particularly notable damage or kills, but before dying I managed to drag two thirds of our team to take control of most of the map, as well as killing or ensuring the death of all the enemy SPGs.

 

Our 3 MoE Bat Chat 25t then went on to play like a complete [edited] muppet and lose us the game, even though we had both territorial and numeric advantage when I died. 


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View PostFramFramson, on 12 September 2018 - 02:19 AM, said:

 

Because you have to contribute the equivalent of two top tiers to have a consistently positive impact.

 

Yesterday, I played a game on Siegfried line in my T-44-100. I hadn't have particularly notable damage or kills, but before dying I managed to drag two thirds of our team to take control of most of the map, as well as killing or ensuring the death of all the enemy SPGs.

 

Our 3 MoE Bat Chat 25t then went on to play like a complete [edited] muppet and lose us the game, even though we had both territorial and numeric advantage when I died. 

 

I completely agree with you: even if you are a bottom tier you must do your job at best, to be bottom tier doesn't mean you can't have a decent game.

But.

 

If you are driving alone your italian P26/40 in one of the corridors of most of the maps and you suddenly face a T-34-85 (a medium as you: same roles in the battlefield), most probably your enemy will simple jump on you and kill you. Because he knows you have no chances, because he knows there is no way for you to stop him. And you can apply this example to most of the tanks with two tier gap.

 

Do I like it? No. Can we change it? Probably not. In my personal opinion a P26/40 should never meet any T-34-85, but if this must happen sometimes I want to be the T-34-85. At least 20% of the time. Not because I want to easily beat a smaller tank, but because I want to have more chances to determine a victory.

 

What happens to me now is that I am the T-34-85 once every 20 matches. And this is deeply unfair.


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I had the Overlord pleasure yesterday of 2 of the three TX tanks on my team driving down the ramp onto the beach and camping pushing the beach route. They sent on-one to the beach.

 

One E100 and BS25t down and the result was pretty predictable.

 

Top tier muppets and its an uphill push of crap with a sharp stick.


Edited by Puggsley, 12 September 2018 - 12:25 PM.


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View Postmorisurari, on 12 September 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 

I completely agree with you: even if you are a bottom tier you must do your job at best, to be bottom tier doesn't mean you can't have a decent game.

But.

 

If you are driving alone your italian P26/40 in one of the corridors of most of the maps and you suddenly face a T-34-85 (a medium as you: same roles in the battlefield), most probably your enemy will simple jump on you and kill you. Because he knows you have no chances, because he knows there is no way for you to stop him. And you can apply this example to most of the tanks with two tier gap.

 

Do I like it? No. Can we change it? Probably not. In my personal opinion a P26/40 should never meet any T-34-85, but if this must happen sometimes I want to be the T-34-85. At least 20% of the time. Not because I want to easily beat a smaller tank, but because I want to have more chances to determine a victory.

 

What happens to me now is that I am the T-34-85 once every 20 matches. And this is deeply unfair.

 

I assure you, when you drive a T-34-85 you get to jump on a P26/40 once every 20 matches.

 

The rest of the time, a T-54 Prototype jumps on you.

 

WoT is, like real life, deeply unfair :(


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View Postmttspiii, on 12 September 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

 

I assure you, when you drive a T-34-85 you get to jump on a P26/40 once every 20 matches.

 

The rest of the time, a T-54 Prototype jumps on you.

 

WoT is, like real life, deeply unfair :(

 

:(

That's true... and probably the T-54 Prototype will have to complain too about the T-62, but this is not the point.
The point is I am fighting as a top tier only the 6% of the time when it supposes to be the 20% in a 3-5-7 template mode.
 

Real life is unfair and unsolvable, bad matchmaking is a clearly solvable problem. Don't you think?


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View Postmttspiii, on 12 September 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

 

I assure you, when you drive a T-34-85 you get to jump on a P26/40 once every 20 matches.

 

The rest of the time, a T-54 Prototype jumps on you.

 

WoT is, like real life, deeply unfair :(

 

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View Postmorisurari, on 12 September 2018 - 07:24 PM, said:

 

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That's true... and probably the T-54 Prototype will have to complain too about the T-62, but this is not the point.
The point is I am fighting as a top tier only the 6% of the time when it supposes to be the 20% in a 3-5-7 template mode.
 

Real life is unfair and unsolvable, bad matchmaking is a clearly solvable problem. Don't you think?

 

3-5-7 template only means the distribution of tiers in a battle, not indicate the distribution of tiers among a set of games. It does not mean 3/15 of your games you will be top-tier, 5/15 of your games you will be mid-tier, and 7/15 bottom tier. Matchmaking does suck, it is solvable, but it is not as clear-cut as intuition suggests.

 

For starters, tier 4 is brutally shafted by 3-5-7. Tiers 1-3 are 'kiddie pool' tiers, protected from 3-5-7. The supposed "7 bottom-tiers" in your tier 4 battles won't show up because that would be tier 2, and tier 2 doesn't meet tier 4 (except T2 Light). The "5 mid-tiers", supposedly filled in with tier 3's, would have to both be the bottom-tiers of tier 4 in a 5-10 two-tier template, and be top tier in their own sanctuary MM.

 

And there's not enough tier 3 tanks for you to be top-tier since tier 3 has to go to the kiddie pool games.

 

In contrast, there's so many tier 5 and 6 players because those are credit-farming tiers; thus there's so many of them that almost all tier 4's would have to be sucked in tier 6 just to fill in the bottom-tier role in a 3-5-7 template. And tier 4's are so few that the tiers 5 and 6 battles which can't fit in the 3-5-7 template are instead sucked into higher-tier battles even more.

 

TL;DR Tier 4 is double-shafted by 3-5-7 that your 6% is actually a reasonable number.


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