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User_000125661 #1 Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:52 AM

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This tanks can be penned 100% of the time, from any angle including frontally by ANY tank that it faces - even tier 7's (without even resorting to gold ammo).  Any HT just has to aim at just above my gun to Pen and it is a large target area.  Anyone shooting APCR just has to hit me.  How on earth do you play this tank?  I though the Tiger 2 was bad but it can at least angle its armour.  It can't even face hug because the 3 hull periscopes are 100% pennable.

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You are certainly not playing it right, because the M103 is definitely not as bad as you make it sound. Before the conqueror buffs, the M103 was deemed to be a better ridge line warrior, now the conqueror is straight out better.

I have not played the line, so i cannot comment, but i think the secret is to use your gun depression so that the turret cheeks are not penned and keep rocking so that they cannot hit the turret roof. All the best with the grind.


 

 

 

 


User_000125661 #3 Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:03 PM

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Not every map has ridge lines


 


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View PostUser_000125661, on 07 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

Not every map has ridge lines

 

You don't need hills to get ridge lines. Dead tanks, debris slopes, windows, even some building rubble act to cover your hull. And even some motion can help to deflect shots.

 

The M103 is not stupidly good hulldown like the T32 or the T29 tank. That being said, the M103 is scary not because of its armor, but the firepower, health and armor package that it brings to the team. I average 1.6k damage in the tank, which is about the lower end of the scale for average damage and a bit above 1.2 kdr for the tank while having 0.62 armor efficiency (i.e. I tank about 60% of my hp on average per game).


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View Postneokai, on 08 August 2018 - 02:22 AM, said:

The M103 is not stupidly good hulldown like the T32 or the T29 tank.

 

Which makes me wonder how our top tier heavy (a T29) in a game in Monastery managed to deal no damage at all, but wonders may never cease. I've heard many times before that the T32 is an awful tank, but the upgraded turret on that has almost 300mm of frontal armour. The cupola, though technically a weakspot, still isn't that weak, though there is that thin area at the top of the turret which is quite thin, but could be covered with the mantlet.


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Every battle I have been in, the M103 has had tier 7 and up (particularly TDs and HT's) just pop shells through the very large and exposed top of the turret and cupola and destroy me in the time it takes me to make 2 shots.  The top 1/3rd of my turret is cheese.  With a 28% win rate it will at least assist in killing my account quicker....


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2 shots? 75% crew again? 

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User_000125661 #8 Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:49 AM

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No, I go up for my first shot and lose 50% of my hit points.  I go up for my second shot and lose the other 50%.  The top 1/3 of my turret seems to attract every shot (easy target) and is always penned.  The best I was able to do was against an E50 but he hit my cupola from around 150m - every time - the instant the top of my turret became visible.  The higher I poked to actually get to aim a shot at something I could pen, everyone else took the same shot with 50% of them penning me.  Anything with more than 115mm cal will overmatch the top of my turret and its a large target area frontally.


 


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Even I dont have it, not even the interest to own it, I kinda want to see buff on M103. The tank look scary from the front, pretty sad to see something that scary being quite weak to fight. I recall its the last HT build by US before going full MBT. Like T-10 for USSR.

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And how does this hit warrant damage at all...….



 


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Pro tip, if you peak somewhere that you get penned by stuff, maybe don't peak there again...

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Who fires AP from a FV4005?

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The trick in playing the M103 is that one has to constantly move and just taking snap shots at the enemy and hope, the sloped armour helps you out, the other day I blocked 2 HEAT shots from a JPZ E100

 

View PostSir_Direkin, on 08 August 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Who fires AP from a FV4005?

 

Not everyone has the money to spam heat not to mention shooting at a M103 is a waste of money


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User_000125661 #14 Posted 08 August 2018 - 06:47 PM

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Yes I'll just retreat and snipe from the red line.....


 


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View PostUser_000125661, on 08 August 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

Yes I'll just retreat and snipe from the red line.....

 

You don't have to pull back to the red line, you just need to either adjust your position to limit the incoming fire at you, or you need to move to a different location where you can be effective.

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View PostUser_000125661, on 08 August 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

Yes I'll just retreat and snipe from the red line.....

 

It's ok, people will see you're a 46%er and expect it. If you're ok with that then go ahead.

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View PostUser_000125661, on 08 August 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

And how does this hit warrant damage at all...….

 

O-Ho HE has splash damage, the tracks absorbed some of the potential damage you could have received if it hadn't hit you in the tracks (which do act as spaced armor)

 

View PostSir_Direkin, on 08 August 2018 - 03:58 AM, said:

Which makes me wonder how our top tier heavy (a T29) in a game in Monastery managed to deal no damage at all, but wonders may never cease. I've heard many times before that the T32 is an awful tank, but the upgraded turret on that has almost 300mm of frontal armour. The cupola, though technically a weakspot, still isn't that weak, though there is that thin area at the top of the turret which is quite thin, but could be covered with the mantlet.

the issue a lot of people have with the T32 is in its firepower (or lack thereof). all that hull-down capability is kinda balanced (but no Russian-balanced) with a gun that doesn't do long ranged too well and is just barely acceptable at mid-range. It's poor DPM and pen means it doesn't brawl well and suffers when bottom tier. 

 

i've only kept my T32 and T29 for tourneys and the occasional tier 8 CW, but how long the T32 will remain viable for that remains to be seen (and I remember occasionally being told to mount the 90mm gun, a role which has been replaced by the Patriot)

 

View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 08 August 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

Even I dont have it, not even the interest to own it, I kinda want to see buff on M103. The tank look scary from the front, pretty sad to see something that scary being quite weak to fight. I recall its the last HT build by US before going full MBT. Like T-10 for USSR.

I was too late and never reached the E5 in time to take advantage of the hype before they nerf balanced it. I did eventually complete the grind and unlock the E5, but by then there were far better tanks to grind to and not much the E5 could do the Super Conqueror couldn't do better.

I sold my M103 but hung onto the crew in the Patriot. Who knows, maybe someday i'll buy the E5 and move the crew up.

 


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View PostEzz, on 08 August 2018 - 09:44 PM, said:

 

It's ok, people will see you're a 46%er and expect it. If you're ok with that then go ahead.

 

I was being sarcastic.  If I find my self outplayed/outwitted/outmatched I just accept it and die and move onto the next battle.


 


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View PostUser_000125661, on 12 August 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

 

I was being sarcastic.  If I find my self outplayed/outwitted/outmatched I just accept it and die and move onto the next battle.

 

Don't try being sarcastic with those stats, people will think you're serious.

You silence those who speak the truth, and you wonder why everyone is talking rubbish

You reward those who win by cheating, and you wonder why you can't produce people who can win while playing fairly

You punish people who put in effort to play, and you wonder why all who remain are the unmotivated


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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 12 August 2018 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Don't try being sarcastic with those stats, people will think you're serious.

 

Yeah I don't think anyone would think I was serious...…



 





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