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Arista_Skyfall #41 Posted 10 November 2018 - 02:11 PM

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Remove premium rounds when you remove tanks that can't be damaged from standard rounds.

luftkopf #42 Posted 11 November 2018 - 05:46 AM

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I used to hate gold spam, and thought it was almost breaking the game. Since I started using it myself I discovered that gold is just as situational as regular ammo. If I can’t damage a tank with silver, outside specific circumstances, I will be unlikely to damage it with gold either. 

 

In my IS-6 I carry just as much HE as i do APCR, and when I’m running low on ammo, gold is likely to be my last remaining type, because it just isn’t that useful all the time.


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Good idea but unfortunately its not going to work because this change is going to heavily favour super heavy tanks like the 60TP and Type 5 heavy. Those tanks literally have no/very little weakspots combined with the current corridor map meta, they are not going to be easy to take out. 

The best way to balance premium ammo is to just make it readily available to everyone by making it the same cost as standard rounds but have its parameters adjusted so they have more drawbacks. For example, on a tank like the 113, keep the HEAT round characteristics and penetration the same but just reduce the damage done by them from 440 to 360 or something. That way players have to make a decision on whether they want to sacrifice DPM for higher pen.  

And personally premium HE should be removed from SPGs and tanks like the Type 5. They have no drawbacks and are straight up better than the standard rounds. 

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View Postluftkopf, on 10 November 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

I used to hate gold spam, and thought it was almost breaking the game. Since I started using it myself I discovered that gold is just as situational as regular ammo. If I can’t damage a tank with silver, outside specific circumstances, I will be unlikely to damage it with gold either. 

 

In my IS-6 I carry just as much HE as i do APCR, and when I’m running low on ammo, gold is likely to be my last remaining type, because it just isn’t that useful all the time.

I don't disagree with your general point at all however the IS6 is not a good example because its premium pen is worse than many tier 8s standard pen. Even with the buffs it isn't exactly stellar. 

 

Where premium ammo becomes silly is where you have 330pen HEAT on tier 9 mediums or Type 5 style premium HE which is flat out better in all ways except cost. This lead directly to the royal screwup in high tier  balance because they had to then buff armour to absurd levels to account for cheese premium rounds. This then totally broke tanks with only aveage to poor pen levels. 

 

To unpick this now can only be done by rebalancing premium ammo on some tanks (some nerfed some actually buffed) and then nerfing armour back again so that weak spots actually become a thing again.. It has to be done together or not at all, otherwise it will break balance like we have never seen before.


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luftkopf #45 Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:19 PM

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View PostCardinalMite, on 11 November 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

Good points made re: IS-6

 

I am interested to see what 352mm pen does for me with my shiny new JagdTiger...

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Proloser_The_Atomistic #46 Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:45 PM

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View Postluftkopf, on 11 November 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

I used to hate gold spam, and thought it was almost breaking the game. Since I started using it myself I discovered that gold is just as situational as regular ammo. If I can’t damage a tank with silver, outside specific circumstances, I will be unlikely to damage it with gold either. 

 

In my IS-6 I carry just as much HE as i do APCR, and when I’m running low on ammo, gold is likely to be my last remaining type, because it just isn’t that useful all the time.

 

^ This. 

 

This is what I've always said. Outside playing a tank like a E100 that has a HEAT magnet turret, most of the time if you get penned by heat, you would've got penned by gold/premium rounds anyway. 

 

Most of the time "gold spam" complaints are just from players who can't admit that they were just bad at positioning their tanks and have to blame something else but themselves. 


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I carry normal to gold rounds at about 3:1 or 4:1 depending on how lame the standard rounds are.

 

For me I'll shoot gold when its unlikely I will pen a normal round, or if I am facing a couple of tanks in a defensive type position and I want every advantage to try to slow them down ("this guy is using gold and will pen me if I poke").

 

The extra pen is a bit like insurance - for situations where its important to get max damage in a short time then gold works nicely.

 

Most of my "gold spam" abuse has come at the moderately rare (for me) occasion where I have run out of regular rounds end of a game where. 



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MagicalFlyingFox #49 Posted 12 November 2018 - 10:21 AM

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I carry 100% gold in some of my arta

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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.


FramFramson #50 Posted 12 November 2018 - 12:59 PM

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View PostMagicalFlyingFox, on 11 November 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

I carry 100% gold in some of my arta

 

ur doin it rong

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Puggsley #51 Posted 13 November 2018 - 10:37 AM

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View PostFramFramson, on 12 November 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

 

ur doin it rong

 

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FramFramson #52 Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:38 PM

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View PostPuggsley, on 12 November 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

 

Maximising salt generation is wrong?

 

You went in the opposite direction of my meaning.

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MagicalFlyingFox #53 Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:04 PM

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No point in running gold in grind arty. Once i get the M40/43 though...

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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.


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The splash on the CGC gold rounds really makes me laugh. The other day I killed a 5A moving in the open on something like 350 HP from a side shot which landed maybe two tank widths away.

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