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User_000125661 #1 Posted 19 August 2018 - 12:47 PM

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I do well in arty.  I have 8 tanks and they (except for 1) average 51-63% win rate.  The 'bad' tank averages 45% win rate.  There is nothing wrong with the Lorr 155 50, I do well in it damage and XP wise,  it just seems to always attract the worst possible teams.


 


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You also look unlucky in the AMX 13 F3, M12, and Russian SPG's.

 

But you do well in the tier 8 SPG's: 155 51, GW Tiger, FV207, and M40/43.

 

Maybe you just improved your arty play over time?


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View Postmttspiii, on 19 August 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

You also look unlucky in the AMX 13 F3, M12, and Russian SPG's.

 

But you do well in the tier 8 SPG's: 155 51, GW Tiger, FV207, and M40/43.

 

Maybe you just improved your arty play over time?

 

I stuck to arty I did well in - not what I felt lucky in....

 



 


Pictish #4 Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:19 PM

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Absolutely agree with this

 

There are several tanks that have a terrible win rate for me. I leave them I come back and pretty well every game it is totally one sided



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guys when wg will put skorp g in prem shop.i want it badly

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View PostUser_000125661, on 19 August 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

 

I stuck to arty I did well in - not what I felt lucky in....

 

 

Define "did well" - determined by win-rate or damage per game or another metric?

 

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guys when wg will put skorp g in prem shop.i want it badly

 

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pokeranger24 #7 Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:36 PM

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My M103 and Cromwell tends to attract bad team and MM too... but I dont remember teaching them Attract

 

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My light tanks always seem to attract small/town maps, and bottom tier too. Every single game last night was bottom tier. That was a joy...

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You probably do well in arty because it requires less/almost no skill. As soon as skill becomes involved (i.e, any other tank than SPGs), that's when things start going downhill for you.

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View PostUser_000125661, on 19 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

I do well in arty.  I have 8 tanks and they (except for 1) average 51-63% win rate.  The 'bad' tank averages 45% win rate.  There is nothing wrong with the Lorr 155 50, I do well in it damage and XP wise,  it just seems to always attract the worst possible teams.

 

SPGs have little to no carry potential because they are so RNG based. So its not necessarily the fact the you are getting bad teams, but you are probably not contributing enough in order to help the team pull through and win. Long story short, don't play SPGs unless you are willing to accept high losses. 

  


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View PostFramFramson, on 06 November 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

Every game in my Strv 103B takes place on either Paris, Tundra, or Ensk.

 

That too. And Himmelsdorf.

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Ensk in arty! and prok in HT in 3 arty game. Somehow when I got into that kinda of game, enemy are always better :D

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View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 06 November 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Ensk in arty! and prok in HT in 3 arty game. Somehow when I got into that kinda of game, enemy are always better :D

 

And Malinovka in HT in 3 arty game. Woohoo!

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View PostDumb0_Duck, on 06 November 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

SPGs have little to no carry potential because they are so RNG based. So its not necessarily the fact the you are getting bad teams, but you are probably not contributing enough in order to help the team pull through and win. Long story short, don't play SPGs unless you are willing to accept high losses. 

 

Honestly I think you missed his point entirely, or were you just too keen to lay the boot in like a big boy and didn't pay attention?

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Looking back over it now, it seems I missed his point entirely too. Either way, maybe if OP stopped playing arty and learned how to actually WASD he might stop getting so many 'bad teams'. 

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For anyone else wondering, what was his point exactly? And did each of the tanks have suitable sample size? 

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He is wondering/postulating that different tonks may get different MM, based on some of his Arty's having lesser WR than others. He is not claiming that MM is against him as a whole or a direct cause of his overall WR.

 

So he was not stat denying, maybe bordering just on tin foil hattery, but IMO doesn't deserve to be slammed as a shitter.



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View Poststruth, on 08 November 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

He is wondering/postulating that different tonks may get different MM, based on some of his Arty's having lesser WR than others. He is not claiming that MM is against him as a whole or a direct cause of his overall WR.

 

So he was not stat denying, maybe bordering just on tin foil hattery, but IMO doesn't deserve to be slammed as a shitter.

 

Bordering?

 

Some tanks are better or worse than what they are matched up against. Eg a 34-2 vs 8 meds. Or a grille vs pretty much any 10 TD. Or the M44 vs most 6 arty. But that's not because they get better or worse MM. That's simply because WG haven't bothered to balance those tanks themselves. Hence most of the variation in global win rates.

 

As to arty - duck mentions, they are known to have lower influence on battles, hence more susceptible to teams. Which is why we need to look at the tanks with decent battle count tanks from a stats perspective. Of the ones over 100 battles there are a few nice comparisons. His M44 is getting ~30% more kills per death and 23% more kills per battle than the french thing, so you'd expect an improved win rate there. While with the GwP is getting similar kills yet doing 20% more damage. Again, it's having more of an impact so an increased WR is expected.

 

Looking further down the list, you'd expect a few to normalise as their battle counts increase. As mttttpsiiiii mentions, the m12 (39%) you'd expect to see its WR increase, while others like GwTp (62%) and 40/43 (55%) you'd expect to drop once they increase in battles.


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Please try to explain my GW Tiger Luck Rate.

 

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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.





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