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Maverick33 #1 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:17 PM

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Just a quick question, why do the so called experts still rave on about Hull Down tactics ? 

Like a good turret is defence against a TD spamming gold or Arty if you sit still for a nano second !!

As far as I am concerned it just shows how little the guys who built this game actually know about the way the game rolls out. 

Or are all the testers Arty and TD hounds quietly happy about the state of the game ?

 

Cause as a guy who prefers HT play the game is pretty sorry at the moment ..... 



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Pro tip, when going hull down, don't just sit there. Peak shoot pull back.

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Puggsley #3 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:27 PM

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Going hull down is an extremely strong tactic to use. Its a fav of people doing huge damage because it works.

 

Have a look at Val or Bol (in particular) on twitch about how they fight HTs and make extreme use of hull down tactics. Bol doesn't even appear to worry about arty at all.

 

If you are hull down and you get splashed its hard for anyone to capitalise on it. Poke a corner and get splashed and you are likely really hurt bad.



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Ok thanks for the advice guys :) Just one of those days ....Will have a look at the suggested players 

Maverick33 #5 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:37 PM

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View PostEzz, on 14 September 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

Pro tip, when going hull down, don't just sit there. Peak shoot pull back.

 

Yeah i got that much :) But it only seems to take like I said a Nano second and you are splashed by lovely arty and stunned then it is open slather. 

Moving is over rated when it comes to avoiding arty, even though that is our only defence. They hit u at full speed or sitting still. 

 



Mother_Of_All_Rommel #6 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:48 PM

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What HT you're using? E100?

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Maverick33 #7 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:59 PM

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View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 14 September 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

What HT you're using? E100?

 

Nah don't play it that much anymore ATM ! Mainly the French AMX M4  plus grinding the new Polish Line. I ditched my T8 tanks and try to stay away from that level as much as I can as butting your head against T10 and T9 is the easy way to frustration. 

I find I get better matches at T9 and T7 than any other level and can be a contributor to the team.  Never going to be a superstar but I figure if I can do more damage than my health and help the team out with a kill or two then all good. 



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I have no problems when going hull down in my IS-7. HE isn't a problem either, because it hardly does anything to my turret.
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Hull down doesn't work when your turret has a weakspot

 

Nowadays tanks that used to work for hulldown doesn't work anymore. Even things like T29.

 

That's why nowadays the overpowered tanks have no weakspot in the turret or hull where applicable. IS-7 for example has no turret weakspot, Defender has no hull weakspot, Maus has no weakspot if angled properly (The lower tier versions with weakspots are suffering)

 

Why the situation has become like this, I don't know, so mysterious. Perhaps maybe it is that, according to some mods, the reason doesn't exist. ;)



Proloser_The_Atomistic #10 Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:16 PM

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Hull down doesn't mean you dig in behind a hill and sit there with your turret poking over staying completely still. What it means is when you stay in cover until you have reloaded, poke out, just exposing your turret (and keeping any easy to hit cupolas hidden if possible), shooting, then pulling back to full (100%) cover. 

 



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SC is the true hulldown beast imo, real pain to take on. IS7 had a pretty crap dpm, derpy gun and -5? depress, so it cant really dominate hulldown position as good as SC. But I got Type 4 and few arty, which is I consider dedicated hulldown tank destroyer. SC are wayyy worse to fight these thing compared to IS7. When SC use full gun depress, the back of the turret stick out almost higher then ridge his hiding  his hull, not rare to have 500-600 dmg hits on it with ruskies arty. You gotta be rng gods fave slave to score that much on IS7 :D

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 14 September 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Hull down doesn't work when your turret has a weakspot

 

Nowadays tanks that used to work for hulldown doesn't work anymore. Even things like T29.

 

That's why nowadays the overpowered tanks have no weakspot in the turret or hull where applicable. IS-7 for example has no turret weakspot, Defender has no hull weakspot, Maus has no weakspot if angled properly (The lower tier versions with weakspots are suffering)

 

Why the situation has become like this, I don't know, so mysterious. Perhaps maybe it is that, according to some mods, the reason doesn't exist. ;)

 

Maus has a turret mantlet weakspot even if angled.

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View PostMother_Of_All_Rommel, on 14 September 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

SC is the true hulldown beast imo, real pain to take on. IS7 had a pretty crap dpm, derpy gun and -5? depress, so it cant really dominate hulldown position as good as SC. But I got Type 4 and few arty, which is I consider dedicated hulldown tank destroyer. SC are wayyy worse to fight these thing compared to IS7. When SC use full gun depress, the back of the turret stick out almost higher then ridge his hiding his hull, not rare to have 500-600 dmg hits on it with ruskies arty. You gotta be rng gods fave slave to score that much on IS7 :D

 

So basically, IS-7 is tougher hulldown, but SConq can hulldown and actually fight while doing so.

 

Wonder if the new Campaign 2 USSR HT also an equally epic turret.


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FramFramson #14 Posted 15 September 2018 - 02:01 AM

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Also, French HTs have weak cheeks. You may be angling, and thus negating your cheek armour. If you're not sure, watch your own replays to see where you get hit.

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French tanks in general hate hulldown positions due to their below average gun depression and their abysmally bad armor, even at the turret. Stick to flat ground and hit and run tactics (my opinion though, dunno if anyone else feels this way too) with them.

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View PostTD1, on 14 September 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

French tanks in general hate hulldown positions due to their below average gun depression and their abysmally bad armor, even at the turret. Stick to flat ground and hit and run tactics (my opinion though, dunno if anyone else feels this way too) with them.

 

Uh, you're thinking of the autoloaders heavies, but the OP is playing the conventional ones. The conventional heavies have great turret armour (but usually have a large cupola) and good gun dep.

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View PostFramFramson, on 15 September 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

 

Uh, you're thinking of the autoloaders heavies, but the OP is playing the conventional ones. The conventional heavies have great turret armour (but usually have a large cupola) and good gun dep.

 

Autoloader heavies got a gun depression buff recently (as they had IRL and should have had in the 1st place)

 

-9 for the 50 100 for example; more hulldown than the Americans


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View PostFramFramson, on 15 September 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

 

Uh, you're thinking of the autoloaders heavies, but the OP is playing the conventional ones. The conventional heavies have great turret armour (but usually have a large cupola) and good gun dep.

 

There, you already said the problem

 

Tell me how well M4 49 and AMX 65 are doing on this server


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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 14 September 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

There, you already said the problem

 

Tell me how well M4 49 and AMX 65 are doing on this server

 

M4 49 is fine if you know how to use it. I do alright in it and have successfully fought TXs in it more than a few times.

 

AMX 65t is a garbage fire though. It falls apart fighting anything higher than another T8. Great tank for something like Frontline, but not for regular pub matches.


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