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Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 - Is it Worth the Buy?

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ThomChen114 #1 Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:19 PM

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So the KanonenJagdPanzer 105, which I will just refer to as the KanPanzer 105, finally arrives (or will soon arrive at Asia server) and is available for "pre-sale", wherein it's only available for premium account holders (either bought or earned in missions), just so you can rub it in the faces of the filthy masses.

 

So what is the KanPanzer 105? And it does sound and look familiar. Mostly because there's all already been a KanonenJagdpanzer in the game.

 

The "old" KanonenJagdpanzer was introduced in 9.10 back in 2015, shortly after they "removed" the E-25 from sale (and by "removed" as in only "occasionally" brought back for special occasions to pay the electricity bills at Cyprus office). It was supposed to be the tier 8 equivalent/replacement of the E-25 and the antithesis of the Jagdtiger 88 (also something they were planning to remove). Like the E-25 it was pretty fast, low profile, thinly armored and its firepower relied on volume in the form of a 90mm gun that is the same as that on the RU251 but "better".

 

So why haven't we seen the KanPanzer as much?

  • Maybe because it's slightly bigger than the E-25 and even less well-armored, thus is easier to spot and less likely to get some RNG ricochets. All HE shells will pen & wreck it.
  • Maybe because the gun, essentially the RU251's 90mm DM1 gun but "better", wasn't that great, to begin with. It's not like the Charioteer which carries a similar 105mm gun to the Centurion 7/1 and is a decent tank (I dare anyone to fight me on this!). Its middling rate of fire and alpha damage for a TD doesn't cut it nowadays, and the penetration for the AP and HEAT barely gets the job done with the +2 MM nowadays.
  • Maybe because the Skorpion G exists and is just mind-numbingly more popular and easier for the masses to play (big gun + turret = fun, right?)

 

The only main difference between the two is the guns (and maybe the added weight of the 105mm gun may affect the p/w, though that should be barely noticeable). The KanPanzer 105 gets a 105mm Bordkanone L7, not too dissimilar to the one on the Leopard PTA. 390 alpha is decent, but more importantly, the gun retains the same gun handling stats as the 90mm gun in the old KanPanzer, which isn't too awful. And because it's that L7 gun it fires laser fast APCR default and can snipe much easier than the old KanPanzer could and, more important nowadays, it gets a premium HEAT round that has 330 penetration, meaning you can melt through the flat front of E100 turrets.

 

Also, it has less HP than the old KanPanzer, far less than most other tier 8 TDs.

 

Is this tank worth it though?

 

WORTH...

  • If you don't own any other tier 8 premium German TDs
  • If you're any good at playing poorly armored but mobile turret-less TDs
  • If you can reasonably* afford to buy a tier 8 premium tank
  • If you're a hipster and refuse to conform by not playing OP premium tanks
  • If you're a pixel tank collector

 

NOT WORTH...

  • If you already own a tier 8 premium German TD (particularly the Skorpion G)
  • If you suck at playing glass cannons
  • If you suck at playing turretless tanks
  • If you can instead buy the Skorpion G or some other meta premium tank
  • If you cannot afford to buy a tier 8 premium tank
  • If you refuse to give WG any more of your money

 

Final thoughts:

The KanonenJagdpanzer 105 is by far better than the old Kanonjagdpanzer, mostly due to that higher alpha damage which in today's environment of bigger tanks and bigger guns matters a lot more and will allow it to contribute more to the battle. Especially in something as poorly armored as this, you can't afford to stay exposed to push out that DPM.

If you already own the KanPanzer then I think its highly suggested you take the deal and trade that for the KanPanzer 105 instead.

But otherwise, it's more likely a pass. Its playstyle doesn't really match any of the German TD branches (aside from being a glass-cannon, which nowadays with the air thick with premium spam, what isn't?) and neither does the crew layout match the higher tier German TDs as well.

 


Edited by ThomChen114, 04 October 2018 - 11:20 PM.

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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #2 Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:06 AM

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But it's 50% off if you buy it again~


Zynth #3 Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:16 AM

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At least this thing KanJagdpanzer vs the old KannotJagdpanzer.

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Sir_Direkin #4 Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:07 AM

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Worth: big gun = big fun

 

Unless you already have a bigger gun of course :P


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ThomChen114 #6 Posted 05 October 2018 - 02:37 PM

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View PostConan, on 05 October 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Personal Answer: Yes 

 

A small part of me does kinda lean to the KanPanzer 105 since it has almost all the things I look for (mobility, firepower) which somewhat offsets the poor armor. 

 

It does seem to play like the Strv S1, without having to transition between siege/travel mode and being a sneaky, mobile tank with a fairly accurate gun (but not as pinpoint as the S1 can be IMO)

 

I definitely wouldn't say no to getting a free KanPanzer 105, oh generous and benevolent Conan-senpai. ;)

 

Just a thought, it would've been nice if this could be part of a 3rd German TD branch consisting of post-war TDs, maybe with the KanPanzer 105 as the tier 10 (perhaps with some spaced armor, or perhaps a KanPanzer 120. It'd be similar to the Swedish S-tanks in the regards, without the siege-mode mechanic but similarly relying on RoF instead of boomsticks.


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So we officially calling this the 'KanJagdPanzers' over the old 'KannotJagdPanzer' now?

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Having played one for the last few weeks, yes.

 

I will be buying one.


                                                                                                                                 
 
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I'll probably trade in the standard one, but I feel like the KanJpz 105 is more of a 'side-grade' than a direct upgrade.

 

It loses some hp which I think is incredibly important considering you don't have any armour, and its dpm happens to be one of the lowest out of the tier 8 tank destroyers.

 

Really hoping to see small buffs to this tank in the future when Wargaming gets more feedback (if they listen at all)



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View PostConan, on 05 October 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Personal Answer: Yes 

 

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Hmm.. :sceptic:
 

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When can i start to swap my Old KanJagdPanzer?

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When would the KanonejagdPanzer 105mm will be entering Asian server premium shop?

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Was hoping this was in todays Power Packs:TD's

 

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ThomChen114 #14 Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:32 PM

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View Post__DOA__, on 08 October 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Was hoping this was in todays Power Packs:TD's

 

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

 

 It's available to buy if you have a prem account, but maybe wait a month after the swap period is over.

 

Side note: I chuckled when they listed one of the cons of the SU-100Y was its "poor radio range". When did radio range ever matter in WoT?


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View PostThomChen114, on 09 October 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

 It's available to buy if you have a prem account, but maybe wait a month after the swap period is over.

 

Side note: I chuckled when they listed one of the cons of the SU-100Y was its "poor radio range". When did radio range ever matter in WoT?

 

I have premium account .. and i dont have it available to purchase. Is it available to Asia server for presale yet?

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View Post__DOA__, on 10 October 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

 

I have premium account .. and i dont have it available to purchase. Is it available to Asia server for presale yet?

 

Keep an eye on the portal/shop for news. If it ain't available in Asia server then it ain't yet. That may explain why I haven't seen much of those running amok yet. Conan showed it off when we were in a platoon. His performance in it did not sell me on this tank.

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using a premium account, still no Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 in asia wot shop, why ??  :(

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View PostThomChen114, on 10 October 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

 

Conan showed it off when we were in a platoon. His performance in it did not sell me on this tank.

 

He just demonstrated that the Conanejagdpanzer 105 is an actual well-balanced tank for a change.

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View Postgeforce_8800gt_512mb, on 10 October 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

using a premium account, still no Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 in asia wot shop, why ??  :(

 

the other servers are getting it early but don't worry, it should be available soon enough. WG wouldn't want to neglect their cash cow loyal players

 

View Postmttspiii, on 11 October 2018 - 12:04 AM, said:

 

He just demonstrated that the Conanejagdpanzer 105 is an actual well-balanced tank for a change.

:D

it's certainly a lot more balanced and competitive, for a change. no doubt we'll see plenty of plebs yolo suicide rush this like an E-25.

it's the gud players that worry me.


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I. WANT. ONE. Heck, I'd trade in my Skorpion G for it if I could. I hope they still have the Conanjpz 105 in rotation when I get back.


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