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Angmar_ #81 Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:40 AM

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View Postneokai, on 17 October 2018 - 06:47 AM, said:

 

Because the AP round is mediocre at best. I'm half spamming HEAT in my 416 now in an effort to get out of the 48% WR glut I'm dug into now. This tank seriously does not "click" with me.

 

330 pen on tier 8 heat rounds with high dpm is a bit much though hey, up against 416's in my pref mm tanks and they just need to right click left click and win the day. May as well not even have armour against them.

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85% of the time I don't fire gold, i pre-load standard most of the time also.

 

Gold comes out when i need to shoot something 400+ metres away or engage those super over buffed Heavies.

 

otherwise most standard rounds at tier 9 and 10 do perfectly well, unless its the AMX m4 54 big gun!


 

 


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View PostUser_000125661, on 17 October 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

and just what 'stronger' stance do you expect WG to take?  

Possibilities i've mentioned numerous times would be to shift the XP and credit earnings to make the upper tiers more difficult for bad players to play. With a further shifting of rewards such that those who top their teams get more of the share, and those that don't get less.

 

View PostUser_000125661, on 17 October 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

Does the EULA require me to use premium ammo?  Does the EULA require me to perform at a certain skill level? 

Not sure how this is relevant. My comment was about those who knowingly play a game as a detriment to their team.

 

View PostUser_000125661, on 17 October 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

 Your view is that anyone with a low Win Rate is a detriment to their team

That's not 'my' view. That's simply how win rate data works.

 

View PostUser_000125661, on 17 October 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

and yet you rage against me when I agree with you?

What rage? I'm forever hopeful that WG will take steps to improve the competitiveness of their game at least in the upper tiers. However the reality is that bads are a great revenue earner for WG and help fuel their credit driven economy. So as much as it would improve the game and lower toxicity, bads are here to stay.

 


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View Postneokai, on 17 October 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

Because the AP round is mediocre at best. I'm half spamming HEAT in my 416 now in an effort to get out of the 48% WR glut I'm dug into now. This tank seriously does not "click" with me.

Funnily when the 416 came out it had one of the highest pen guns running around on a med. It also had head and shoulders better DPM plus a different meta to fight in. So while awkward it was very usable especially by leveraging its vision ability. I can't say i've driven mine lately tho. I basically shelved it after 3 marking it.


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View Postneokai, on 17 October 2018 - 06:47 AM, said:

 

Because the AP round is mediocre at best. I'm half spamming HEAT in my 416 now in an effort to get out of the 48% WR glut I'm dug into now. This tank seriously does not "click" with me.

 

416 AP is decent, but HEATspam 416 makes it so fun.

Big VK4502 bullying teammates? HEAT to face.

Big E100 bullying teammates? HEAT to face.

Type 5 HT spamming prem HE? HEAT all over.

AMX M4 51 proving that French tanks don't suck? Suck it, you've got HEAT.

Hulldown T29 or T30 with its boss turret? HEAT it and show them how the meta's changed since 2013.

IS-7? Run away, Stalinium armor negates Stalin-guided HEAT.

 

It's one of those guns where spamming sprem changes its gameplay and fun factor a lot, like stock SU-152, old T-54, and E 100.


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View Postmttspiii, on 17 October 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

It's one of those guns where spamming sprem changes its gameplay and fun factor a lot, like stock SU-152, old T-54, and E 100.

 

In the way that only running around in a tier 8 medium with more pen then a tier 10 tank destroyer can.

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Haven't played the 416 for quite a while, but i did finish the 430 II grind last night. Promptly moved that crew back to the T54 and it feels so much more comfortable in the current meta. The better turret armour and full turret rotation of the T54 were extremely apparent. For minor increases in turret and hull traverse the T54 felt a lot more nimble. 

 

Was interesting because it was exactly the same crew in both tanks. 



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View PostPuggsley, on 18 October 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Haven't played the 416 for quite a while, but i did finish the 430 II grind last night. Promptly moved that crew back to the T54 and it feels so much more comfortable in the current meta. The better turret armour and full turret rotation of the T54 were extremely apparent. For minor increases in turret and hull traverse the T54 felt a lot more nimble. 

 

Was interesting because it was exactly the same crew in both tanks. 

Give the 430 a whirl if you get bored of the 54. Better armor profile, better alpha and even looks way sexier.


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View PostEzz, on 17 October 2018 - 11:25 PM, said:

Give the 430 a whirl if you get bored of the 54. Better armor profile, better alpha and even looks way sexier.

 

I've been playing the 430 a bit of late and I'm sure they mixed up the guns for the 430 and the 261......

 

I know my 430 crew is not that crash hot but man its horrific as far as accuracy goes. Tried it with food and it made a big difference.

 

It will be a long, long time before i get bored with the T54 :) 



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View PostPuggsley, on 18 October 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

 

I've been playing the 430 a bit of late and I'm sure they mixed up the guns for the 430 and the 261......

 

I know my 430 crew is not that crash hot but man its horrific as far as accuracy goes. Tried it with food and it made a big difference.

 

It will be a long, long time before i get bored with the T54 

To be honest i mostly play the 430 as it's cheaper to run. You do 70 more alpha with a cheaper round with higher pen (20% more alpha, 9% more pen, but is only 66% the price of the 54 round). If they ever rebalanced the 54's ammo pricing it would golden.


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I had a game in the 430 the other day where the slow aim time and dispersion had my first 6 shots missing/bouncing. I find the effective shell costs huge because of the low hit rate in the 430, whereas the standard T54 round (219mm pen) is peachy for very good conversion of shots to damage. Probably pretty close to even for me as far as economics of running one vs the other. I might run food for a while to see if that changes it at all.

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View PostPuggsley, on 18 October 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

I had a game in the 430 the other day where the slow aim time and dispersion had my first 6 shots missing/bouncing. I find the effective shell costs huge because of the low hit rate in the 430, whereas the standard T54 round (219mm pen) is peachy for very good conversion of shots to damage. Probably pretty close to even for me as far as economics of running one vs the other. I might run food for a while to see if that changes it at all.

 

Bear in mind you can fire 3 shells from the 430 for the price of 2 from the 54 so if you can mitigate the accuracy (food, BiA, engagement ranges) it can swing very quickly in favour of the 430. And even if you only pen 2 out of those 3 you'll be doing more damage anyway.

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Its in the to do list.

 

but I just love the mobility and looking a the back of that turret...…….



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When i spammed 4 - 6 non penetrative heat to type 5 in my obj 705a he ran away with 500 hp left because he is scared to interrupt me capturing the base lol  

 

 






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