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[mttspiii]

geforce_8800gt_512mb, on 12 March 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:

mttspiii, on 05 March 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

Maybe we should just instead add all metrics and see how 432 adds up?

HWK 30, as big as leopard 1, has penet AP 187 + gold ammo 250 with damage 240, penet HE 103 with damage 320..... view range 410m & gun depres -10..... 

 

Yeah and it's still shit in total compared to to the LT-432. Even WG says that LT-432 is best of the bunch; disagreeing means gulag.

 

Indeed, the only tank that comes close to LT-432 is the 90 GF, and that comes prepackaged with free camo already and it's still nothing compared to LT-432.

 

[CardinalMite]

mttspiii, on 13 March 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

Yeah and it's still shit in total compared to to the LT-432. Even WG says that LT-432 is best of the bunch; disagreeing means gulag.

 

Indeed, the only tank that comes close to LT-432 is the 90 GF, and that comes prepackaged with free camo already and it's still nothing compared to LT-432.

 

Mttspii that dude is fact impervious, he literally has stated that he disregards the global winrate stats... 

Edited by CardinalMite, 13 March 2019 - 11:21 PM.

[Twit_]

geforce_8800gt_512mb, on 03 March 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

m4190 has penet he 102 damage 320 relod 5s........

 

 

 

 

m41d has gun depres -9, panhard ebr 75 n m4190 has gun depres -8, LT 432 only have gun depres -7 ....

You sound like an idiot, type like a child, and have the cognitive ability of a goldfish. If you are not going to present arguments that rebut any of our points I will have to assume you are some dipshit troll, go away elsewhere.

[geforce_8800gt_512mb]

CardinalMite, on 12 March 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

You very much don't care for any stats, or facts, or logic...

 

I will still say, that every player on WOT PC that plays LT-432 can't definitely get WR 56% ....so, those statistics (WR) can mislead many gamers ....

 

Ezz, on 12 March 2019 - 10:53 AM, said:

And still zero armor.

 

since when a MT X leopard 1 has a good armor ??

 

mttspiii, on 13 March 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

Yeah and it's still shit in total compared to to the LT-432. Even WG says that LT-432 is best of the bunch; disagreeing means gulag.

 

Indeed, the only tank that comes close to LT-432 is the 90 GF, and that comes prepackaged with free camo already and it's still nothing compared to LT-432.

 

 

is that a DPM ??

 

CardinalMite, on 13 March 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

Mttspii that dude is fact impervious, he literally has stated that he disregards the global winrate stats... 

 

again, read my comment above....

 

Twit_, on 13 March 2019 - 08:15 PM, said:

You sound like an idiot, type like a child, and have the cognitive ability of a goldfish. If you are not going to present arguments that rebut any of our points I will have to assume you are some dipshit troll, go away elsewhere.

 

so, what is your point to posting in here, dude.... ???

Edited by geforce_8800gt_512mb, 19 March 2019 - 12:14 AM.

[mttspiii]

geforce_8800gt_512mb, on 19 March 2019 - 12:13 AM, said:

is that a DPM ??

 

That's WG's tank scoring system, adding up

- Firepower (includes alpha, gun depression, DPM, gun handling),

- Survivability (armor, HP),

- Mobility (P/W ratio, terrain resistance, hull traverse),

- Concealment (camo values moving/stationary, firing), and

- Spotting (view range) into one handy-dandy number.

The only thing the tank scoring system doesn't account for would be the size of the vehicle, and some awkward design choices like O-Ho miniturrets affecting gun depression on certain parts of the gun arc, or AMX CDC being massive.

 

The LT-432 has no issues with the dimensions or design of the vehicle, being a properly small tank with no awkward turret placement issues or traverse (unlike M41D, Bulldog, HWK 30, or Lynx's wheel system). And despite all this, LT-432 still has the best combination of all 5 balancing parameters, without tank design defects. It's readily available in your client, the tank compare system. It also readily shows just how easily the best the LT-432 is among all tier 8 LT's...with Wargaming.net's own data and comparison system.

Edited by mttspiii, 19 March 2019 - 03:56 AM.

[FramFramson]

Perhaps we're actually speaking to a geforce 8800gt with only 512mb.

[CardinalMite]

geforce_8800gt_512mb, on 18 March 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

I will still say, that every player on WOT PC that plays LT-432 can't definitely get WR 56% ....so, those statistics (WR) can mislead many gamers ....

again, read my comment above....

Oooh I get it now... it isn't that you disregard the winrate stats as false.. it's that you don't understand them, what average win rate is. Most people understand that average win rate does not mean all players will get that win rate. The only player it is misleading is one that does not understand what an average is.

 

Also that you have a hard time reconciling that your own performance in that tank is so bad after 125 battles at 45% wins, that you cannot believe all the evidence that it is a great tank, OP in fact because that makes your performance in it even worse in that light.

 

So you have to claim it is UP and needs a gun buff, because anything else means you are just terrible at driving it.

[Puggsley]

Man the HWK30 is just going to be one big lesson in overmatch mechanics.

 

Well and penetrating HE rounds....

 

The 432 is a fabulous combination of a tank which is stealthy, good gun, mobile and the after all that has great armour which gives you a chance if you mess things up.

Edited by Puggsley, 19 March 2019 - 02:05 PM.

[Flying_Circus]

The HWK 30 shouldn't be as good as the LT 432, as the 432 is a better than non-premium tanks.

 

The HWK 30 looks pretty good in that it appears to be relatively balanced (though superior to the HWK 12). Just wish it wasn't so large. "In real life" the Ru 251 wasn't massively larger than the ELC Even 90 - not that you would know it in this game. And the HWK 30 looks like it is even larger than the Ru 251 (speech marks to emphasise I don't expect real life accuracy in WoT). Will have to adjust my play style to compensate for the large size, as wheeled vehicles will absolutely own this tank if you are too aggressive early game (aggressive as in trying to get a forward position early).

 

[samibsal]

any chance of 432 hitting prem shop in near future?
i want one for some highspeed aromred fun

[geforce_8800gt_512mb]

mttspiii, on 18 March 2019 - 07:54 PM, said:

 

That's WG's tank scoring system, adding up

- Firepower (includes alpha, gun depression, DPM, gun handling),

- Survivability (armor, HP),

- Mobility (P/W ratio, terrain resistance, hull traverse),

- Concealment (camo values moving/stationary, firing), and

- Spotting (view range) into one handy-dandy number.

The only thing the tank scoring system doesn't account for would be the size of the vehicle, and some awkward design choices like O-Ho miniturrets affecting gun depression on certain parts of the gun arc, or AMX CDC being massive.

 

The LT-432 has no issues with the dimensions or design of the vehicle, being a properly small tank with no awkward turret placement issues or traverse (unlike M41D, Bulldog, HWK 30, or Lynx's wheel system). And despite all this, LT-432 still has the best combination of all 5 balancing parameters, without tank design defects. It's readily available in your client, the tank compare system. It also readily shows just how easily the best the LT-432 is among all tier 8 LT's...with Wargaming.net's own data and comparison system.

 

another new LT 8 premium from UK with better firepower than LT 432....

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/04/14/supertest-%F0%9F%87%AC%F0%9F%87%A7-fv1066-senlac-complete-stats/

 

size is still matter in wot pc.....especially for LT.....

 

FramFramson, on 18 March 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:

Perhaps we're actually speaking to a geforce 8800gt with only 512mb.

 

yes, thats me.... so, what ??

 

CardinalMite, on 18 March 2019 - 09:52 PM, said:

Oooh I get it now... it isn't that you disregard the winrate stats as false.. it's that you don't understand them, what average win rate is. Most people understand that average win rate does not mean all players will get that win rate. The only player it is misleading is one that does not understand what an average is.

 

Also that you have a hard time reconciling that your own performance in that tank is so bad after 125 battles at 45% wins, that you cannot believe all the evidence that it is a great tank, OP in fact because that makes your performance in it even worse in that light.

 

So you have to claim it is UP and needs a gun buff, because anything else means you are just terrible at driving it.

 

nope, i like it, driving with Lt 432 is awesome, butt the firepower is still much much ugly for shooting lots of enemy's from far far away.....

 

Puggsley, on 19 March 2019 - 06:02 AM, said:

Man the HWK30 is just going to be one big lesson in overmatch mechanics.

 

Well and penetrating HE rounds....

 

The 432 is a fabulous combination of a tank which is stealthy, good gun, mobile and the after all that has great armour which gives you a chance if you mess things up.

 

the armor of LT 432 not so good....   all SPG tier 8 can kill them with 1-2 shot.....if the enemy found out LT 432, that LT 432 will be more difficult to runaway than elc even, because his size as big as IS3.... the same thing happened to HWK 30....

 

Flying_Circus, on 19 March 2019 - 06:19 AM, said:

The HWK 30 shouldn't be as good as the LT 432, as the 432 is a better than non-premium tanks.

 

The HWK 30 looks pretty good in that it appears to be relatively balanced (though superior to the HWK 12). Just wish it wasn't so large. "In real life" the Ru 251 wasn't massively larger than the ELC Even 90 - not that you would know it in this game. And the HWK 30 looks like it is even larger than the Ru 251 (speech marks to emphasise I don't expect real life accuracy in WoT). Will have to adjust my play style to compensate for the large size, as wheeled vehicles will absolutely own this tank if you are too aggressive early game (aggressive as in trying to get a forward position early).

 

 

HWk 30 has much better firepower than LT 432, but the size is as big as MT X leopard 1......

 

samibsal, on 22 March 2019 - 05:52 AM, said:

any chance of 432 hitting prem shop in near future?
i want one for some highspeed aromred fun

 

last week, there is LT 432 in premium shop....

[Ezz]

The narrower the lens the less it illuminates.

[mttspiii]

geforce_8800gt_512mb, on 25 April 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

 

another new LT 8 premium from UK with better firepower than LT 432....

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/04/14/supertest-%F0%9F%87%AC%F0%9F%87%A7-fv1066-senlac-complete-stats/

 

 

0.42 accuracy at 6 seconds reload for the Senlac, vs 0.38 at 5 seconds reload for the LT-432. Which is also more armored (22-32/20/11-15 vs 70-160/40-100/40-60), smaller (the Senlac has a taller hull and total size than LT-432), more agile (45 vs 48 hull traverse,) more PWR (32.2 vs 33.33), more camo-ey, and doesn't have a ridiculously tall rear-mounted turret.

 

The Senlac's firepower isn't even impressive to begin with compared to LT-432. The rest of the stats just leaves it looking mediocre even compared to the HWK 12. And that HESH round gimmick doesn't make it any better compared to the Blackdog either.

 

This post is partly about just how OP the LT-432 is, but also how crappy the Senlac looks like. It's looking like a turd straight out of Supertest, and will likely get a few more nerfs before it goes live simply because it's not a USSR tank.

[CardinalMite]

Geforce only believes in the penetration and alpha stats (yet oddly not other gun stats like RoF, gun depression, shell velocity, shell dispersion on the move)when considering the relative strengths of LTs. Because those clearly are the 'sole defining' characteristics of scouts..

[Twit_]

CardinalMite, on 26 April 2019 - 06:18 AM, said:

Geforce only believes in the penetration and alpha stats (yet oddly not other gun stats like RoF, gun depression, shell velocity, shell dispersion on the move)when considering the relative strengths of LTs. Because those clearly are the 'sole defining' characteristics of scouts..

GeForce doesn't believe that. Rather the kid that bought this account thinks that.

[Saffelicious]

just I scrolled through the post and I know my morning coffee has not kicked in yet but are you guys even talking to each other in the same language lol