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DeadArashi #1 Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:13 AM

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Please let this be the start of the Swedish MT branch and not another premium tank to train crews for a non-existent tier 10 Swedish MT

 

Edit: If people would like me to do up a stat comparison to other tier 8 MT let me know and what tanks you would like it compared to

Source: https://thearmoredpa...est-the-lansen/

 

Full comparison of stats - Standard shell velocity missing, prem shell is 1,150m/s

 


Edited by DeadArashi, 10 December 2018 - 11:53 PM.


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The second tier 8 premium for a nation who does not have tech tree mediums beyond tier 7. Swedes now have a tier 6 autoloader, tier 8 centurion and now gonna get one more.

In comparison Czechs who only have one line of mediums up to tier 10 are only having a tier 6 premium and one that does not play like the higher tier tanks.

WG if you read comments on the forums, please work on premiums which will be useful, not on redundant premiums. even if the swedes are getting a med line up to tier 10, they already have a tier 8 premium crew trainer.

 

Give us a czech tier 8 crew trainer.  :izmena:

 


 

 

 

 


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Should state that it's not known at this time if it will be a premium or not

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View PostThe_average_tanker, on 06 December 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

The second tier 8 premium for a nation who does not have tech tree mediums beyond tier 7. Swedes now have a tier 6 autoloader, tier 8 centurion and now gonna get one more.

In comparison Czechs who only have one line of mediums up to tier 10 are only having a tier 6 premium and one that does not play like the higher tier tanks.

WG if you read comments on the forums, please work on premiums which will be useful, not on redundant premiums. even if the swedes are getting a med line up to tier 10, they already have a tier 8 premium crew trainer.

 

Give us a czech tier 8 crew trainer.  :izmena:

 

 

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The_average_tanker #5 Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:09 PM

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View PostDeadArashi, on 06 December 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

Should state that it's not known at this time if it will be a premium or not

 

Ok i may have over reacted. but wouldn't the higher tier swedes being more cent like be more suitable.

Also, i still want the tier 8 czech prem!


 

 

 

 


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Also can you compare this to the TVP VTU with the 105? seems pretty similar to me i guess.

 


 

 

 

 


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View PostThe_average_tanker, on 06 December 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

Ok i may have over reacted. but wouldn't the higher tier swedes being more cent like be more suitable.

Also, i still want the tier 8 czech prem!

 

Well one of the Cent tanks is the Strv 81 which is already a tier 8 prem. There is the option of the Centurion Mk 10 (Strv 101) and the Strv 102 (Strv 81 rearmed with the 105mm L7).

 

But there are some Swedish designs. The Lansen is one such tank that actually did receive a mock-up built for one designated as the "Lansen 25t" which did have a 10.5cm gun in the mock-up. There's also the Strv T, Strv A and the Strv K

 

Strv T

Armament: 105mm L/55

Weight: 40 ton

Engine: 723 hp

Power to weight: 22.2 hp/t

Speed: ?

Hull Armor: 50/35/35

Turret Armor: 75/50/30

Gun Depression: -7/+15

 

Strv A was to be a Strv T with more armour and an autoloading 105mm gun

Hull Armor: 120/60/50

Turret Armor: 100/50/500

 

Strv K was a plan to use one of the built Kranvagn hulls to mount a Centurion Mk 10 turret and 105mm L7

Armament: 105mm L7

Weight: 40 ton

Engine: 723 hp

Power to weight: 18.07 hp/t

Speed: 60 km/h

Hull Armor: 95/40/40 (145mm LFP)

Turret Armor: 152/89/89

Gun Depression: -10/+25

 

Strv A I think would be too weak as a tier 10 but would feel out of place with an autoloader. So if it were me I would go Leo -> Lansen -> Strv T (with Strv A armour) -> Strv K

This way you're not really using Centurion clones to flesh out the top tiers

 

Also, a comparison has been added to the OP


Edited by DeadArashi, 06 December 2018 - 12:40 PM.


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Because they play different from tech tree tanks, they are made into premiums.


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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 06 December 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

Because they play different from tech tree tanks, they are made into premiums.

 

The Lansen, going off paper, looks like it will play more like the lesser armoured, more mobile tanks of the line then the HTs do... soooo yer, there's that

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Need to pad the tier 8 mm. In typical WG style once the line actually comes out it will be superior to the tech tree one ( Chinese TD, French Heavy, Italian Medium ).

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View PostDeadArashi, on 06 December 2018 - 10:07 AM, said:

 

Well one of the Cent tanks is the Strv 81 which is already a tier 8 prem. There is the option of the Centurion Mk 10 (Strv 101) and the Strv 102 (Strv 81 rearmed with the 105mm L7).

 

But there are some Swedish designs. The Lansen is one such tank that actually did receive a mock-up built for one designated as the "Lansen 25t" which did have a 10.5cm gun in the mock-up. There's also the Strv T, Strv A and the Strv K

 

Strv T

Armament: 105mm L/55

Weight: 40 ton

Engine: 723 hp

Power to weight: 22.2 hp/t

Speed: ?

Hull Armor: 50/35/35

Turret Armor: 75/50/30

Gun Depression: -7/+15

 

Strv A was to be a Strv T with more armour and an autoloading 105mm gun

Hull Armor: 120/60/50

Turret Armor: 100/50/500

 

Strv K was a plan to use one of the built Kranvagn hulls to mount a Centurion Mk 10 turret and 105mm L7

Armament: 105mm L7

Weight: 40 ton

Engine: 723 hp

Power to weight: 18.07 hp/t

Speed: 60 km/h

Hull Armor: 95/40/40 (145mm LFP)

Turret Armor: 152/89/89

Gun Depression: -10/+25

 

Strv A I think would be too weak as a tier 10 but would feel out of place with an autoloader. So if it were me I would go Leo -> Lansen -> Strv T (with Strv A armour) -> Strv K

This way you're not really using Centurion clones to flesh out the top tiers

 

Also, a comparison has been added to the OP

 

Nice to know about other swedish tanks. but if i personally have to chose between tanks which saw service and tanks which we prototypes i would prefer ones which saw service. but WG prefers tanks which were only prototypes/ designs on paper because then they can work easily with them. For example this has more armor than the tvp, but weighs less.

 

It is pretty similar to the tvp as much as i can see from the stats. better mobility and one extra shot per minute on the tvp. mobility is on par with the CDC (wonder how much they will vary the soft stats).

With the support role this tank is supposed to have, i assume the gun stats have to be much better. What role do they want this line to fullfil. Something like the leopard? because in the current meta, those tanks are not doing that well


 

 

 

 


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View PostThe_average_tanker, on 06 December 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

 

Nice to know about other swedish tanks. but if i personally have to chose between tanks which saw service and tanks which we prototypes i would prefer ones which saw service. but WG prefers tanks which were only prototypes/ designs on paper because then they can work easily with them. For example this has more armor than the tvp, but weighs less.

 

To be fair, the weight to armour is because WG gave it more armour then it was historically designed with (WG being WG here so this shouldn't be surprising). If you compare the historical armour, it's less then the TVP so the lower weight does make sense.

 

View PostThe_average_tanker, on 06 December 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

It is pretty similar to the tvp as much as i can see from the stats. better mobility and one extra shot per minute on the tvp. mobility is on par with the CDC (wonder how much they will vary the soft stats).

With the support role this tank is supposed to have, i assume the gun stats have to be much better. What role do they want this line to fullfil. Something like the leopard? because in the current meta, those tanks are not doing that well

 

If they've designed it properly it should be a low profile tank about the similar size as the Leo at tier 7, just a bit smaller

Height - 2.4m

Width - 2.4m

Length - 5.4m (gun not included)

 

For comparison the AMX ELC is

Height - 1.58m

Width - 2.24m

Length - 4.97m

 

So the Lansen is also very small. With the power to weight and small size it feels more like a harasser. From TAP:

 

Description of the Lansen C

 

While 320 Alpha is above average for a Tier VIII medium, its accuracy and aiming parameters prevent it from being a reliable sniper.

Coupled with the relatively low armor values, this will likely place the Lansen C into a Flex Support category, similar to mid-tiered US Mediums. On paper, I would liken the vehicle to a Tier VIII T20 with better mobility. You need to rely on your mobility and the excellent Gun Depression angle of -10 Degrees.

The vehicle will excel at claiming key map positions early, engaging in some active scouting, then flexing to another flank for support. The Lansen is a ‘social’ vehicle – it fares better in a pack than it does in one-on-one engagements, so laying down solid, punchy, mid-range supporting fire is the name of the game. As always, stats are subject to change based on testing.

 

 



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Yeah, the stats strike me as an all-rounder, so a comparison to the American MT line is appropriate.

 

I do have a 4-person Swede MT crew sitting around doing nothing (unlocked the Leo just to use my extra Swedish reward crew but decided not to bother with the HTs). If the T9 or TX Swede MT are decent, I could see grinding that since I already have most of the line and a decent crew.


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View PostFramFramson, on 06 December 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

Yeah, the stats strike me as an all-rounder, so a comparison to the American MT line is appropriate.

 

And here's a side by side stat comparison to the American MT's at tier 8



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Hm, so like an American MT with less armour and HP but far more vroom vroom (also slightly worse view range and slightly better DPM/alpha).

 

This being one of those weird tanks where the hull is stronger than the turret is really annoying. Especially on a tank with -10 dep.


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Though the small profile of the tank should help, it will play very similar to the Leo mounting the 10cm gun.

 

If this does come as a tech tree tank then I expect an alternate 9cm gun to be an option that could very much give it some monster DPM for a tier 8 MT but at that cost of armour



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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 06 December 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

Because they play different from tech tree tanks, they are made into premiums.

 

Inverse seems true lately. Strv S1 and AMX M4 49 are the premmies, the odd-one-out UDES and 65t are the tech tree tanks.

 

That said DA, I'm surprised there's no impromptu history lesson, or a link, for the Lansen projects. In a thread you created.


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Well I can give a history lesson.

 

The short and sweet of it was that the Lansen was originally to be a 19t light tank version of the Leo designed in 1948 armed with 75mm gun, 35mm of frontal armour and a 450hp engine. In 1950 its weight was increased to 25t and rearmed to 10.5cm. There was also a study for an even heavier version of the tank with 100mm of frontal armour but this wasn't preferable.

 

So what we have in-game is a sort of mix-mash of the 25t design with the heavier model frontal armour

 

There were also a number of other engine and gun options proposed:

Engines:

Volvo A12B (640hp)

Morane (600hp)

Volvo A8B+ (450hp)
Dual Scania L801 (440hp)

Volvo A8B (410hp)
Dual SLM-Winterthur (400hp)
Maybach (400hp)

Dual Rolls-Royce (360 hp)
Dual Scania 607 (340hp)
Dual Scania L603 (324hp)

Guns:

10.5cm L/40 Strvkan fm/50

10.5cm Strvkan fm/49

9cm Kan L/60
8,5cm Kan L/50
8,4cm Kan L/75
8,4cm Kan L/65
8,4cm Kan L/57
7,5cm Pvkan m/43 littlejohn adaptor

7,5cm Pvkan m/43


 

So it's not like WG are hard pressed for possible modules that could be used on a tech tree tank; three turrets, and a multitude of guns and engines

 

SP15, the one who did all the research on the Swedish tanks, offers two suggestions for a MT line; the first being the use of the Strv A and Strv K. The other being the Lansen, UDES 15 and UDES 15/16

Honestly, if we forgo the idea of a turreted TD branch for the Swedish then this would be the best way to do it since all three actually had mock-ups built.

 

Add in a few light tanks before the MT branch off and you can also begin a LT line as well


Edited by DeadArashi, 08 December 2018 - 12:39 AM.


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Casting historical stuff aside and looking into the viability of the tank in Today's pub games , it looked decent which kinda put the older tanks like the TVP VTU in a bad position . However Lansen C's stats look great and would be fun to play without breaking the game too much and should raise the awareness that the older tanks need some buffing to make the battlefield more of an even ground .

 





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