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Chewmatca #21 Posted 13 December 2018 - 08:35 AM

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View PostBrutalOlyx, on 13 December 2018 - 12:04 AM, said:

Just a PSA for you before you all get your nickers in a knot.

 

(1)The IS3A has subpar AP rounds, and unreliable and low velocity HEAT rounds (compared to the more reliable high velocity APCR of the IS3).

(2)The gun handling is ABYSMAL. I dont mean kinda bad, i mean ABYSMAL. - the 112 has vastly superior gun handling!

(3)The tank is sluggish, worse than a SoumuaSM with a horrible 10.6 power/weigh ratio, and terrible traverse speeds.

(4)Cursed with the -5 gun depression, so you will have a decent turret armour but will have to expose your hull in many cases., the slow p/w ratio will not allow you to quickly back up after firing.

(5)Has a weak engine that will get damages easily and a fairly high (15% fire chance)

(6) Only 200-222 frontal hull armour - will be frontally penned by most. Weak flap on the turret roof.

 

Yes it has the autoloader, and the hull and turret armour is workable like the IS3. But you will have to deal with the worse gun handling out of all the  tier8 tanks, and a sluggish tank that will limit your ability to flex around the map. Yes you will have good games in it, but you will also suffer due to the many weaknesses this tank has

 

The point being, don't fall for the "IS3 is OP" scam and spend all your money on Christmas boxes to get it. It is a potentially strong tank littered with many flaws....

 

All True except its standard Round is APCR - its freaking fast and can hit stuff on the run.

 

270pen on the HEAT round is not bad for tier 8. Just have to not hit tracks/ spaced armor.

 

Armor is not defender level - but it does bounce a bit more than a Lorraine. Worse armor compared to the Samua, but the gun flexibility is quite good on the 3A. Its not super OP its just stupid OP.

 

 



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View PostBrutalOlyx, on 13 December 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

may you all find a nice deluded consensus

 

QB, circon, skill (so far) confirmed deluded.

 

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So it's basically even more idiot-proof than the Defender? It may not have troll armor, but it has APCR no-leading standard rounds and one of the highest sprem pens. On top of being an antiloader at that.

 

View PostBlastradius1, on 13 December 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

So, MM rework takes one to the knee-cap. Tier 8 much improved, now this abortion comes along. Why must this company frag their own improvements? We get so few, and the few we do get they can't wait to destroy.

 

Thankfully, our valiant arty brigades will make sure there will be 3 SPG's per side to ensure focus fire on these...abominations. And everything else within the battlefield as well.

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View Postmttspiii, on 13 December 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

So it's basically even more idiot-proof than the Defender? It may not have troll armor, but it has APCR no-leading standard rounds and one of the highest sprem pens. On top of being an antiloader at that.

 

 

Thankfully, our valiant arty brigades will make sure there will be 3 SPG's per side to ensure focus fire on these...abominations. And everything else within the battlefield as well.

I don't think anything is more idiot proof than a defender.
The IS-3a appears stupid in some areas but not quite as stupid.

 

And yes, my arty crews are salivating in anticipation of the feast of slow moving HT's that are coming their way over the next few weeks :arta:



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Objectively based on win rate it was fairly balanced if not a smidge OP already as a single shot (51.23% according to wot life). So WG improved both its gun handling and gave it an idiot proof burst mechanic.

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spacewolf #26 Posted 13 December 2018 - 08:54 AM

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View Postmttspiii, on 13 December 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

So it's basically even more idiot-proof than the Defender? It may not have troll armor, but it has APCR no-leading standard rounds and one of the highest sprem pens. On top of being an antiloader at that.

 

 

View PostVader108, on 13 December 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I don't think anything is more idiot proof than a defender.
The IS-3a appears stupid in some areas but not quite as stupid.

 

I'd say on par with a Defender, but for different reasons. I'm expecting the server w/r in it to hover around 56 ish.


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does anyone know when they are going on sale? 

 

cant beat, well might as well join em.

 


 
 
 
 
 
 

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View Postspacewolf, on 13 December 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

 

 

I'd say on par with a Defender, but for different reasons. I'm expecting the server w/r in it to hover around 56 ish.

 

WG showing us a multitude of ways of making a Soviet tank OP.

 

Gotta give props to WG for being creative in that aspect.


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View PosttidyO, on 13 December 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

does anyone know when they are going on sale? 

 

cant beat, well might as well join em.

 

 

WG marketing will kindly give you a tiny chance of getting one in the loot boxes.

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spacewolf #30 Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:36 AM

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View PostEzz, on 13 December 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

WG marketing will kindly give you a tiny chance of getting one in the loot boxes.

 

...and then 3 months later open it up in some sort of sale after people spend $4 million on trying for it.

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Damn it, i need to add another 23% to my current 33% win rate to make server PAR. At one point i had a 25% win rate in it.

 

Damn those tomatoes all joining my side.

 

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View PostBrutalOlyx, on 13 December 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

Just a PSA for you before you all get your nickers in a knot.

 

(1)The IS3A has subpar AP rounds, and unreliable and low velocity HEAT rounds (compared to the more reliable high velocity APCR of the IS3).

(2)The gun handling is ABYSMAL. I dont mean kinda bad, i mean ABYSMAL. - the 112 has vastly superior gun handling!

(3)The tank is sluggish, worse than a SoumuaSM with a horrible 10.6 power/weigh ratio, and terrible traverse speeds.

(4)Cursed with the -5 gun depression, so you will have a decent turret armour but will have to expose your hull in many cases., the slow p/w ratio will not allow you to quickly back up after firing.

(5)Has a weak engine that will get damages easily and a fairly high (15% fire chance)

(6) Only 200-222 frontal hull armour - will be frontally penned by most. Weak flap on the turret roof.

 

Yes it has the autoloader, and the hull and turret armour is workable like the IS3. But you will have to deal with the worse gun handling out of all the  tier8 tanks, and a sluggish tank that will limit your ability to flex around the map. Yes you will have good games in it, but you will also suffer due to the many weaknesses this tank has

 

The point being, don't fall for the "IS3 is OP" scam and spend all your money on Christmas boxes to get it. It is a potentially strong tank littered with many flaws....

 

View PostBrutalOlyx, on 13 December 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

 

Sometimes the world needs some objectivity...

 

Anyway, I will leave you to your groupthink, may you all find a nice deluded consensus :)

 

https://youtu.be/FyL4JAnGqx8?t=530

 

 

>Circon and Skill both say its OP

>Bolyx says its not

>Delusions?


Edited by BurningSeraph, 13 December 2018 - 10:17 AM.

 

Conan, on 01 October 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

This makes me sad

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View Postpokeranger24, on 13 December 2018 - 01:59 AM, said:

So IS 3A went from being powercreeped tank to OP, GJ WG

 

Now I am asking who thought it was a good idea

 

The accounting department. Next question.

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View PostBurningSeraph, on 13 December 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

 

https://youtu.be/FyL4JAnGqx8?t=530

 

 

>Circon and Skill both say its OP

>Bolyx says its not

>Delusions?

 

Add Foch to that.

 

IS-3 vs IS-3a one on one

 

IS-3/IS-3a fire - IS-3 (390) / IS-3a (390)

3 secs later IS-3a fires - IS-3 (390) / IS-3a (780)

3 secs later IS-3a fires - IS-3 (390) / IS-3a (1170)

5 secs later IS-3 fires - IS-3 (780) / IS-3a (1170)

6 secs later IS-3a fires - IS-3 (780) / IS-3a (1560) -> IS3 dead

 

IS3 dead in ~18 seconds = Balance


Edited by Nightlords, 13 December 2018 - 10:35 AM.


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View PostBrutalOlyx, on 13 December 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

Just a PSA for you before you all get your nickers in a knot.

 

(1)The IS3A has subpar AP rounds, and unreliable and low velocity HEAT rounds (compared to the more reliable high velocity APCR of the IS3).

(2)The gun handling is ABYSMAL. I dont mean kinda bad, i mean ABYSMAL. - the 112 has vastly superior gun handling!

(3)The tank is sluggish, worse than a SoumuaSM with a horrible 10.6 power/weigh ratio, and terrible traverse speeds.

(4)Cursed with the -5 gun depression, so you will have a decent turret armour but will have to expose your hull in many cases., the slow p/w ratio will not allow you to quickly back up after firing.

(5)Has a weak engine that will get damages easily and a fairly high (15% fire chance)

(6) Only 200-222 frontal hull armour - will be frontally penned by most. Weak flap on the turret roof.

 

Yes it has the autoloader, and the hull and turret armour is workable like the IS3. But you will have to deal with the worse gun handling out of all the  tier8 tanks, and a sluggish tank that will limit your ability to flex around the map. Yes you will have good games in it, but you will also suffer due to the many weaknesses this tank has

 

The point being, don't fall for the "IS3 is OP" scam and spend all your money on Christmas boxes to get it. It is a potentially strong tank littered with many flaws....

(1) Is incorrect. Standard rounds are 1400mps apcr now.



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@BrutalOlyx You must be either working in WG balance department or being a super tester. Maybe you should try to play T32, 110 and Tiger II against the IS3A before you make the astonishing statement on the IS3A?  They have all the weakness you mentioned about the IS3A but none of the superiority of the IS3A.

 

I dont think the gun handling is abysmal, if you peek slowly, you gun handling improves a lot. In addition, you can afford to miss shots because you have surprisingly 3 shots in the magazine. Is 5 degree of gun depression really bad in tier 8? At least you can still hull down with your turret armor, there are more flat ground now on the map, for example look at the changes on himmersdolf. Furthermore, it has the ability to do ~ 1.2 k damage in 9 sec, 1.6k in 18 sec, with absolutely no disadvantage of unloading all shells in the magazine, you can destroy tier 6 and 7 easily, no tank in tier 8 can really 1 vs 1 with this tank without taking unacceptable amount of damage. 

 

A tank is OP because you have to compare it with the existing tanks, maybe you should reflect your playstyle and thinking.  It is really "convincing" for someone like you who do on average on 1k damage across all tier 8 including the Caernarvon (which has 3k DPM) to say that the IS3A is not OP.

 


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Not sure why people are complaining, the IS-3a will be power crept into oblivion by next weeks Defender buffs....

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Defender needs turret buff...

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View PostBurningSeraph, on 13 December 2018 - 01:13 PM, said:

>Circon and Skill both say its OP

>Bolyx says its not

>Delusions?

 

When your average tier is 5, your perspective on tanks you wont see often become... deluded.

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View Postspacewolf, on 13 December 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

 

...and then 3 months later open it up in some sort of sale after people spend $4 million on trying for it.

 

I gonna bet around Chinese New year, they gonna offer this for sale.

 

View PostNightlords, on 13 December 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

 

Add Foch to that.

 

And Dezgame.

In fact i recall QB is not too critical about this tank unlike other.

 

Maybe it would be funny to propose IS-3A to that other game. 


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