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Otakubouzu #1 Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:40 PM

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...started by rebuying the Hellcat.
Boy. That 90mm gun handling is bad, even with the Gramps and his elves as crew. Its been a long time since I first bought Hellcat years ago so it kinda throw me off. Still pretty fun to play tho.

My question is... is the T25/2 any good? Or perhaps should i just skip it to T28 Proto?


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Sir_Direkin #2 Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:51 PM

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I can say the T25/2 is pretty awful stock, especially with the dispersion and the amount of times it bounces. I've free exped the top modules on that, but haven't played it in that configuration as the crew are still in the Wolverine, but given that you only get an extra 10 mm of pen in the 90 mm T15E2, I wouldn't put much hope in the top configuration either. It's probably great when top tier, which is likely to happen more with the current MM, but when I last played it top tier games never happened (which is why I ended up moving that crew onto the other TD line).

 

I've never played the T28 proto, but it looks to be pretty solid, especially with the 2nd gun and up.


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FramFramson #3 Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:20 PM

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T25/2 is great upgraded though. You can play it like a medium in a pinch.

 

Honestly, I enjoyed the whole US turreted TD line (I too wanted a Meme30).


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T25/2 is more like a med that loses speed and camo compared to the hellcat that plays like a LT. T28 Proto takes it a step further and plays like a backline HT. Both tanks can feel like downgrades compared to the Hellcat.
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T28 has a pretty bouncy turret though, doesn't it?

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View PostSir_Direkin, on 12 January 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

T28 has a pretty bouncy turret though, doesn't it?

 

Yeah, but the hull is garbage. Frontal glacis is nearly vertical.

 

For the T28 you absolutely need to be hulldown, redlining, or bullying lower tiers. Second lining is also acceptable, but even that's risky if there's only 4-5 total tanks in the brawl - so if you're going to go forward, make sure you push with the train.


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mttspiii #7 Posted 13 January 2019 - 07:35 PM

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View PostSir_Direkin, on 13 January 2019 - 01:18 AM, said:

T28 has a pretty bouncy turret though, doesn't it?

 

That's why WG put a roof with cupolas on it: weakspots.

 

T25/2 best tier 7 MT lol. Unusually good gun handling, like it already has a built-in VStab.

T28 Proto best preferential-MM tank hunter; crawl up in their face and abuse them with sheer DPM and penetration while you bounce off their shots with 30-45 degree angle (with the rest of the hull hidden behind a wall or a corpse). You have a front-mounted turret; abuse it in city brawls. You have accuracy; shoot them up even before they approach you along long firing corridors. Its gun handling is also decent relative to its speed, useful when you're leading the second charge against bloodied and bullied enemy tanks.

T30...is not an HT as it turns out :( Still, 750 alpha with reliable AP on that turret is fun for outtrading enemies, though as compared to T28 Proto your gun handling simply sucks.


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Otakubouzu #8 Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:09 PM

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View Postmttspiii, on 13 January 2019 - 06:35 PM, said:

 

That's why WG put a roof with cupolas on it: weakspots.

 

T25/2 best tier 7 MT lol. Unusually good gun handling, like it already has a built-in VStab.

T28 Proto best preferential-MM tank hunter; crawl up in their face and abuse them with sheer DPM and penetration while you bounce off their shots with 30-45 degree angle (with the rest of the hull hidden behind a wall or a corpse). You have a front-mounted turret; abuse it in city brawls. You have accuracy; shoot them up even before they approach you along long firing corridors. Its gun handling is also decent relative to its speed, useful when you're leading the second charge against bloodied and bullied enemy tanks.

T30...is not an HT as it turns out :( Still, 750 alpha with reliable AP on that turret is fun for outtrading enemies, though as compared to T28 Proto your gun handling simply sucks.

 

T25/2- You mean i can play it like playing T20?


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FramFramson #9 Posted 14 January 2019 - 05:26 AM

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View PostOtakubouzu, on 13 January 2019 - 07:09 AM, said:

 

T25/2- You mean i can play it like playing T20?

 

It's a bit slower, but surprisingly that's not that far off.

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Otakubouzu #10 Posted 14 January 2019 - 12:22 PM

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https://tanks.gg/compare/hellcat?t=t252~t20

....okay so from what I see here... that turret traverse on T25/2 is still pretty awful. At least gun handling is better than Hellkitty.

So basically I can play it as medium, but perhaps i shouldn't unless needed.

 

Well, still 20K exp to T25/2 so i guess I should see it when i reach it.


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View PostOtakubouzu, on 13 January 2019 - 11:22 PM, said:

https://tanks.gg/compare/hellcat?t=t252~t20

....okay so from what I see here... that turret traverse on T25/2 is still pretty awful. At least gun handling is better than Hellkitty.

So basically I can play it as medium, but perhaps i shouldn't unless needed.

 

Well, still 20K exp to T25/2 so i guess I should see it when i reach it.

 

Yeah, I like to say that my Hellcat can perform as an "Emergency Medium". T25 is like that, only more so due to the good gun handling.

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Gun traverse on the T25/2 is frustrating at times; really, really, really slow

 

So if you play it like medium and use it's speed you need to always be thinking where the gun is pointing. Sadly something that caught me out lots of times when grinding that line.



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View PostOtakubouzu, on 13 January 2019 - 08:09 PM, said:

 

T25/2- You mean i can play it like playing T20?

 

It's more like a tier 7 Centurion, if you get my drift. Decent turret armor, good hull dispersion, stiff turret neck. Peekaboo behind ridges and don't be afraid to do it from afar; you have the accuracy to snipe in that gun too.

 

As a bonus, if you do get into brawling distance on T25/2, you have that troll roof armor that has no hitbox yet everyone still shoots at it.


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View PostAngus775n, on 14 January 2019 - 04:32 AM, said:

Gun traverse on the T25/2 is frustrating at times; really, really, really slow

 

So if you play it like medium and use it's speed you need to always be thinking where the gun is pointing. Sadly something that caught me out lots of times when grinding that line.

 

Yeah, all the American turreted TDs are like that.

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I had a game in the T25/2 earlier. Damn! I don't remember it being that fast, but then it's been a while since I last played it. Gun handling is... okay.  Was just one shot away from completing TD-12.2 with honours, but the last enemy ducked behind cover just in time.

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View PostFramFramson, on 14 January 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

Yeah, I like to say that my Hellcat can perform as an "Emergency Medium". T25 is like that, only more so due to the good gun handling.

 

The whole "emergency medium" has me wondering if I ought to be using optics rather than binocs. I'll get full view range either way, and with optics I can spot blind targets while on the move, but since it is actually supposed to be a TD, by using binocs I can defeat camo and ruin their day.

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View PostSir_Direkin, on 17 January 2019 - 06:45 AM, said:

 

The whole "emergency medium" has me wondering if I ought to be using optics rather than binocs. I'll get full view range either way, and with optics I can spot blind targets while on the move, but since it is actually supposed to be a TD, by using binocs I can defeat camo and ruin their day.

 

I ran it with Binocs, to burn through enemy bush camo that my teammates can't see through their Optics

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View Postmttspiii, on 16 January 2019 - 10:15 PM, said:

 

I ran it with Binocs, to burn through enemy bush camo that my teammates can't see through their Optics

 

Yeah. You're only going "Emergency Medium" on things which are clearly spotted or which are clearly about to spot you. You're flexible, but not THAT flexible, so the standard setup of .

 

Oh! One thing that seemed to make a huge difference to me: RUN GASOLINE, and not the 105, just the much cheaper 100. The extra engine power and turret rotation makes just enough of a difference to make it very worthwhile. I did try the expensive 105 gasoline for a while, but that didn't seem to make any more difference than the 100. Must be that the 100 is enough to push the base stats over some crucial multiplier.


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Ive not done this grind. I have played numerous similar TDs though so it's of interest. I tend to play Tier 9 more than ten so how does the T30 fare? Does the turret have T29 like status with great armour or is it just a similar look with thin armour?

 

Also I love my E3 but haven't looked at how the E4 measures up since the E4 initially arrived in-game and then was nerfed for being too armoured. How would you compare its armour/gun to the E3 and E5 (most similar hulls and setup I guess?)?



 

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View PostQuasinerdo, on 17 January 2019 - 02:27 AM, said:

Ive not done this grind. I have played numerous similar TDs though so it's of interest. I tend to play Tier 9 more than ten so how does the T30 fare? Does the turret have T29 like status with great armour or is it just a similar look with thin armour?

 

Also I love my E3 but haven't looked at how the E4 measures up since the E4 initially arrived in-game and then was nerfed for being too armoured. How would you compare its armour/gun to the E3 and E5 (most similar hulls and setup I guess?)?

 

T30 is pure memes. It's basically the T29 with a massive gun, but low HP and a loooonnng reload, played like a HT/TD hybrid.

 

It can be terrific fun, but be careful to remember you don't actually have any hull armour or HP and need other tanks around so you're not alone during those artillery-length reloads (well, not quite), so that you don't overextend.


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