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Warhammer124 #1 Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:51 AM

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Nothing is more annoying than when LT players act like MTs or HTs and attempt to brawl instead of scout. Seeing these guys on lakeville, going town and valley and attempting to brawl is a joke. Then at the end of the game they finish with 0 damage dealt anyways. Why do they even bother playing LTs if they won't play them for what they're supposed to do?
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Mate for the same reason, O-Ni's that come and park next to the TD's to snipe....

Angmar_ #3 Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:17 AM

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Maybe some LT players get frustrated when multiple games in a row they spot the whole enemy team and their own team plays like they have no idea where the enemy team is ?

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The same can be said about most classes these days. It's the natural progression of a game where being useless still gets you places if you bot or multi box long enough.

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View PostAngmar_, on 01 August 2019 - 03:17 AM, said:

Maybe some LT players get frustrated when multiple games in a row they spot the whole enemy team and their own team plays like they have no idea where the enemy team is ?

Honestly while that does happen occasionally, I don't find that the case multiple games in a row. Fact is whether or not that is likely to happen, it does not make it ok to not scout during the match.


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View PostCardinalMite, on 01 August 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

Honestly while that does happen occasionally, I don't find that the case multiple games in a row. Fact is whether or not that is likely to happen, it does not make it ok to not scout during the match.

 

Yeah I know, just putting out a different perspective though :P



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I'd think that at least part of the problem is that players are largely reliant upon their own experience to know where they're expected to go. There are third party guides out there, of course, but they're not gospel, maps get revised and there are near constant changes to the meta.

 

Also, it has to be said that the light tank up the lake road, while a potential game changer if it comes off, is something of a risky play that can result in a very short game if it doesn't. Having tried that numerous times without success, I'd think that a lot of players might conclude that they'd do better in the town. I'm not sure why anyone would go down the valley regardless of vehicle though, so you can't just blame that one on them.

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View PostMatt_B, on 01 August 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

I'd think that at least part of the problem is that players are largely reliant upon their own experience to know where they're expected to go.

Hence the suggestion to learn the basics in the lower tiers. The map concepts for pretty much every class are the same, just that in the lower tiers you won't be as much of a detriment to your team if you're clueless.


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View PostEzz, on 01 August 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

Hence the suggestion to learn the basics in the lower tiers. The map concepts for pretty much every class are the same, just that in the lower tiers you won't be as much of a detriment to your team if you're clueless.

 

Yeah, but that's never going to happen in a game that lets players buy a premium tank and jump straight into tier 8.

 

On the other hand, they might at least consider putting some sort of interactive guide into the game, if not blatant map overlays of where and where not to go in your current tank.



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View PostAngmar_, on 01 August 2019 - 11:17 AM, said:

Maybe some LT players get frustrated when multiple games in a row they spot the whole enemy team and their own team plays like they have no idea where the enemy team is ?

 

Occasionally its a case of your allies not being able to physically shoot the enemy because the LT is doing an early scouting run across the middle hill in Prok.

 

Unfortunately scouting isn't just about spotting the enemy but also taking into account your allies' position relative to the enemy and seeing if they can actually shoot what you spot.

 

LTs being one of the more demanding classes of tanks that has its own hard cap in terms of crew skills doesn't help either.

 

I am usually more surprised if an LT on my team is capable of scouting than if they don't know how to.


 

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View PostZynth, on 01 August 2019 - 04:46 PM, said:

I am usually more surprised if an LT on my team is capable of scouting than if they don't know how to.

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worst than light tankers who dont know how to scout, are the players who sit back and even camping and needing no knoledge at all (like a light tank would need to go scout properly), the campers still managed to get spotted and die behind a bush like a true noob and useless monotomous boring and passive player to have on your team.

 

Did i mention that these campers cant even hit a lit target properly??? No wonder why light tankers dont wanna scout these days. When a player who all he knows about the game is to sit back in a obvious bush and demand someone to scout, and then he also miss shots (cant snipe, cant aim, noob) and then you find out he is not only a useless sniper demanding to scout, he is also getting damaged without even getting spotted or because he went too further and got spotted when he fired his gun. The noob sit back and still get farmed like a true useless teamamte. This is just like having a cake made of shit on your team and you are suppose to eat it.


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Look a 9 month necro isn't bad, but after the last one I feel you could do better.

 

As for the scouting comments, I guess the only statement I can come up with is to not go scouting where you aren't getting support. Don't over extend. If you're not getting help, don't be there - be somewhere else.

 

I realise that a player might not be able to do that all the time, but keeping an eye on the mini map is pretty important to where you go as a scout as it will tel lyou where your help will come from. 


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What about heavy tank and TD players constantly pinging the map trying to get lights to scout in areas we know damn well are going to get us killed, or, the same players not realising by sitting at a particular location we are effectively scouting the exact area they want scouted already. WE cant always spot well camoe'd targets, unless we literally drive into them. Fair enough there are payers that don't know how to scout properly, I bet there's even more TD and heavy players that don't know either.

 

Theres also no consideration that you may not know when a scout is getting spotted and just cant go where they would like. This obviously depends a lot on crew skills and the type of tank etc but particularly as a new player,I find myself out spotted by mediums often, or alternatively a well placed scout on the other side. Running straight out in front of the enemy when lit is no use to your team either. 

 

Point 3 I guess would be since the advent of "wheeled vehicles" many people seem to think scouting involves doing laps around the map centre while constantly dodging fire. This doesn't work for other types of lights and isn't (usually) the most effective plan.

 

 

Or do you want a scout that yolo's out, lights the entire enemy team and dies in the first minute?  I can do that:)



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The sad thing is you still see suicide scouts in the upper tiers. It doesn't restore much faith in the intelligence of the player base.

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Ive not played a lot of games but I've Had a decent amount of games in which sensible players started scouting in their tds or heavies because the lights and mediums refused to get out of their useless camping spots at one end of the map




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