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__Emerald__ #61 Posted 16 August 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 16 August 2019 - 06:28 PM, said:

It goes from underpowered when running no "extras" to quite powerful when running gold ammo, buchty, and vent purge to go with vents. 1.5 skill crew.

1 shot to do dmg in mag of 3 was no exaggeration for AP, gold ammo is obviously better.

 

Got mastery in it, 4.5k dmg and 4.5k spotting assist damage.

 

 

Premium tanks were meant to make credit but you actually lose more credit whilst playing them just for the sake of competitive lol



 

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View PostDieselnuts, on 17 August 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

On the plus side the missions gave me enough national fragments for this...

 

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View Post__Emerald__, on 09 August 2019 - 04:51 PM, said:

Skoda need buff, the tank took forever to aim, gun bloom like the sun when moving, tank is sluggish as hell and turn like a boat, low dpm. i deeply regret for buying this tank even though i really like the czech high tier autoloader. They can just buff the gun handling and ground resistance + tank traverse or buff its alpha dmg and gun handling. Progetto is 10 times better than this tank, because it can choose to clip 3 shots or shoot like normal tank, also it has superb gun handling and mobility

 

Stats compare :facepalm:

Apples for apples, you have 250vs 50 games.. When you reach 250 games plus in skoda, then recompare? 

like this?

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58 battle vs 50 battle stat comparison atmo ^^^ noting they were played in similar situations (new tank spams) havent played the progetto much due to other nations im enjoying atmo. 

View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 10 August 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

60 battles in Skoda T27 here, (I have only ever shot AP):

 

If I shoot at a russian tank I'll get 1 shot dmg out of the 3 in magazine

If I shoot at any other nations tanks I count myself "lucky" to get 2 penetrating dmg hits per magazine of 3.

 

T27 gets hit in the ammo rack a lot. Tracks, ammo rack, driver, commander and 2 times lost engine are most common detrimental damages.

The 22.5 second reload (22.02ish) with BIA is too much for a 3 shot magazine where only 1 shot will reliably penetrate or even hit.

 

WG video on "how to play" recommends camping in bushes and sniping (why not just make it a TD)?. Its gun simply isn't good enough to be a sniper, unless perhaps you load gold.

It gets tier 10 battles, yet struggles versus tier 8s when top tier. NICE.

 

My personal loadout is: BIA+ 50% camo for all crew, camo paint, camo net, binocs and vents.

What this premium tank needs to make it NOT a handicap to all "random" teams?: I'd say a 5 shot magazine (you would still only hit any russian target twice). And perhaps 220mm AP penetration, you could reduce magazine to an increase of 4 shots.

 

What were the "testers" smoking when they were creating stats for WG?: well, they run 3x improved equipments, buchy or whatever the 20,000 credit food boost is for czech tankers, 7 skill crews, shoot all gold all the time, basically run everything to the limit on these test tanks prior to release. I see it in test.

 

Learn to collect real world conditional stats, and have testers shoot only AP, small consumables, and regular equipment, with 0 skill crews.

IMO this tank sits above Panther 88 and cdc, however below broken mouse (mauerbrecher). Which makes it a stinker.

 

If I have to sit at rear of team to support with sniper fire then I have to rely on the rest of the team taking any initiative.

The czech holiday missions are not going to be accomplished in this tank either.

 

 

I took my skoda t50 crew with this. Two skill crew. Bia, and 6th sense alone. Ezz is correct: ignore wG how to play guides. They are rather.. Unprofessional to the current meta. A 1.8 between shell reload, makes using a gunlayingdrive pointless. So running vents vertstab and optics to boost other vital stats is more useful

View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 11 August 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

That goes against WG own recommendations on how to play it. It cannot brawl, cannot get close.

The 3 shots and avg 1 pen per 3 shots (250 dmg), expires VERY quickly.

It can get close. Like all auto-loaders not auto-reloaders you have to pick your fights or be very very good at deceiving your opponent into thinking you still have shells in your clip - even if your on reload-

View PostProfanisaurus, on 14 August 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

Yeah. I went 6/9 last night. Had a run of 1st classes and top of teams. Couldn't quite dig out an Ace.

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View PostVader108, on 15 August 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

Thanks for the comparison but are we comparing apples with apples?

By that I man you have 15 battles in one and close to 250 in the other.

How do your crew skills compare?

Are they the same or is the Prog running more skills such as BiA and say off road for example?

 

 

Check spoilers for comparrisons of the tanks (difference of only 8 games) bellow is crew comparrisons. (note the skoda is unplayed since receiving the final level of the 10 day grind, and thus received the crew training boost to it. so near identical crew skills while playing

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View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 16 August 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

It goes from underpowered when running no "extras" to quite powerful when running gold ammo, buchty, and vent purge to go with vents. 1.5 skill crew.

1 shot to do dmg in mag of 3 was no exaggeration for AP, gold ammo is obviously better.

 

Got mastery in it, 4.5k dmg and 4.5k spotting assist damage.

 

 

Nice job.  All tanks do feel underpowered to start though, if you place them with 0 skill crews. And even the skoda, with its mildly average ap pen and mid tier apcr, its still a viable tank to play (not saying its better than lorry\progett\pantera) but its not the worst tier8.

View Post__Emerald__, on 17 August 2019 - 03:36 AM, said:

Premium tanks were meant to make credit but you actually lose more credit whilst playing them just for the sake of competitive lol

You can fire gold, full gold even. And still makr money, you just need to pen\maximise your damagr vs shots fired to actually acoupe the cost of the round. (i know a few gold59 players who meme spam full gold, and make credits abounds on it) just do the damage. - noting your skill level shouldnt matter to yourself, esp if your as good as you appear to be stats wise.. I dont see how thats made relevant for sake of competition


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so, going off what i have just talked about, from earlier on today, and updated as of now. its not the worst tier 8 prem...

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View PostSLAV_ROBIN, on 20 August 2019 - 06:32 AM, said:

Apples for apples, you have 250vs 50 games.. When you reach 250 games plus in skoda, then recompare? 

like this?

Spoiler

58 battle vs 50 battle stat comparison atmo ^^^ noting they were played in similar situations (new tank spams) havent played the progetto much due to other nations im enjoying atmo. 

I took my skoda t50 crew with this. Two skill crew. Bia, and 6th sense alone. Ezz is correct: ignore wG how to play guides. They are rather.. Unprofessional to the current meta. A 1.8 between shell reload, makes using a gunlayingdrive pointless. So running vents vertstab and optics to boost other vital stats is more useful

It can get close. Like all auto-loaders not auto-reloaders you have to pick your fights or be very very good at deceiving your opponent into thinking you still have shells in your clip - even if your on reload-

scrubgitgudson

Check spoilers for comparrisons of the tanks (difference of only 8 games) bellow is crew comparrisons. (note the skoda is unplayed since receiving the final level of the 10 day grind, and thus received the crew training boost to it. so near identical crew skills while playing

Spoiler

Nice job.  All tanks do feel underpowered to start though, if you place them with 0 skill crews. And even the skoda, with its mildly average ap pen and mid tier apcr, its still a viable tank to play (not saying its better than lorry\progett\pantera) but its not the worst tier8.

You can fire gold, full gold even. And still makr money, you just need to pen\maximise your damagr vs shots fired to actually acoupe the cost of the round. (i know a few gold59 players who meme spam full gold, and make credits abounds on it) just do the damage. - noting your skill level shouldnt matter to yourself, esp if your as good as you appear to be stats wise.. I dont see how thats made relevant for sake of competition


Not quite 250 battles but 100 is enough for an impression. The gun handling still f.u.c.k you over a lot, still 1 out of 3 shells hitting and pen. For a tank with no armour, mediocre mobility to have such a shit gun is unacceptable. I hate it, done the marathon now so i will never bring it out for pub battles again. If i want stats padding i will just bring T55A, progetto and skorpion


Edited by __Emerald__, 20 August 2019 - 06:01 PM.


 

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So... it's like a Somua?

Noobs don't snipe because they are good at snipe; noobs snipe because they can't do anything else / People don't lose because they lemming; people lemming because they are losers

Do not confuse team strength with individual strength; a single enemy killed in a 1v3 is worth more than two enemies killed in a 4v2 / Lanchester's Square Law predicts in a 2v1, the side with 2 will end with 1.5 tanks remaining, so if you won with less than that remaining, you're actually noob, not pro

When you are not losing because you outnumber the enemy, your other flank is losing because they are outnumbered; it's just math

Law of mirror: When you are holding a 1v6 against the enemy, you own team is also getting 6v1 held by the enemy

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I would like to reiterate, CDC exists.

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Destroyer of Tier 6 CW... says it all about you.


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View PostMagicalFlyingFox, on 20 August 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

I would like to reiterate, CDC exists.

Hell, most of the single shot 8 meds exist. That being said this is probably the worst czech 8 med autoloader prem tho.


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View PostEzz, on 20 August 2019 - 11:49 PM, said:

Hell, most of the single shot 8 meds exist. That being said this is probably the worst czech 8 med autoloader prem tho.


>WG releases reasonably balanced tier 8 prem

 

 

Is the new premium the worst tank in the game ever?


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I've been enjoying it, even with training a new crew up in it, the gun can be a little unreliable but it's pretty solid at tier 8.

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So...the T 27 is stronger than it seems to be, but weaker than what we want it to be.

 

Ayt so which handles better, Lorry or T 27?


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I don't own a T-27 but I do have the Lorry, put it this way I don't feel I have the wrong tier 8 premium autoloader. 

 

That said I don't see much wrong with the T-27 and would be happy to use it if I got it in a Xmas loot box.

 

With the much better standard pen the Lorry prints credits and since we now have crew training books there is much less point buying a tier 8 premium for crew training.

 

Neither have stellar gun handling (very similar actually) but an extra round in the clip 60 extra alpha and the pen mitigate deficiencies in the Lorry.


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I've got BIA, plus 1 specialist skill (eg deadeye for gunner) plus 50% 3rd skill all camo.

Vents, camo net and binocs.

 

I DON"T tend to ever use 6th sense as I feel its a complete waste, and only really surprises you when it activates approx 5% of the time.

All the other times a player should EXPECT to be detected if sitting in an obvious spot on a map wwe have all played a thousand times, with very little map expansion or re-works. Players even blind fire like mad nowadays during the 10 min no-one is spotted on either team campfests. 

 

Its like playing the same golf course for years and years, and the greenkeepers moving the green flags to make it "fun and interesting" every once in a while.

 

I would probably say progetto is best, IS3A, lorr40t, then skoda T27. 


 



 


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View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 21 August 2019 - 10:35 AM, said:

Vents, camo net and binocs.

 

I DON"T tend to ever use 6th sense as I feel its a complete waste


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View PostCardinalMite, on 21 August 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

I don't own a T-27 but I do have the Lorry, put it this way I don't feel I have the wrong tier 8 premium autoloader. 

 

That said I don't see much wrong with the T-27 and would be happy to use it if I got it in a Xmas loot box.

 

With the much better standard pen the Lorry prints credits and since we now have crew training books there is much less point buying a tier 8 premium for crew training.

 

Neither have stellar gun handling (very similar actually) but an extra round in the clip 60 extra alpha and the pen mitigate deficiencies in the Lorry.

 

I have both and a much better crew in the lorraine, the T27 just seems more reliable. The quicker reload between shells, the better aim time just makes it feel like a more comfortable tank to play than the lorraine.



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View PostAngmar_, on 21 August 2019 - 01:42 AM, said:

 

I have both and a much better crew in the lorraine, the T27 just seems more reliable. The quicker reload between shells, the better aim time just makes it feel like a more comfortable tank to play than the lorraine.

Fair enough, horses for courses I guess.. I don't think it is necessarily a wrong choice with either, I think it will come down to personal play style preference.


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View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 21 August 2019 - 12:35 AM, said:

I've got BIA, plus 1 specialist skill (eg deadeye for gunner) plus 50% 3rd skill all camo.

Vents, camo net and binocs.

Do you have an alt account with this tank then? You don't seem to have one on this account.

 

Edit. Sorry my bad I missed it, first go.

 

In other news, wait you don't find a use for 6th sense?

 

Really?

 

You might want to rethink that with regard to the fact that the two LTs you do decent in tiers  8-10 are the ones with good armour.

 

The rest not so much. Just an observation because burn through high tier view range can catch you out even when you think you are going to remain unspotted. It makes sense then that the two high tier LTs with armour you do way better on on average given they may actually bounce a shot.


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Wow you really went hard dissecting my personal stats. Can you do my government?.

I don't consider myself a light tank player AT ALL, and I really wish you all would read the rest of the statement where I explain WHY 6th sense is a waste, perhaps add rebuttal to that.

 

I don't have an alt account, if that is a bad thing to have an alt account, or bad thing to not have an alt account, I don't know anymore?. 

 

One must remember that high ping and lag can also add more time to your reaction to being spotted after your 6th sense activates.

 

There are always unidentified factors in play.


 



 


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View PostDread_Pirate_BlackHeart, on 21 August 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

Wow you really went hard dissecting my personal stats. Can you do my government?.

I don't consider myself a light tank player AT ALL, and I really wish you all would read the rest of the statement where I explain WHY 6th sense is a waste, perhaps add rebuttal to that.

 

I don't have an alt account, if that is a bad thing to have an alt account, or bad thing to not have an alt account, I don't know anymore?. 

 

One must remember that high ping and lag can also add more time to your reaction to being spotted after your 6th sense activates.

 

There are always unidentified factors in play.

Not really, since I was there anyway, I noticed a pattern as I have WoT app always set to list vehicle stats by class and it was very evident when listed like that. It helps me understand where someone is coming from where they hold a particular position in a forum  thread.

 

Anyway choose to ignore as you wish. If someone noticed a particular pattern in my stats that might suggest a way I could improve my play, then I would appreciate a heads up. I thought you might want to know. By the way a similar pattern follows your medium tank stats also...

 


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> Says the most important crew skill in the game (as agreed by the vast majority of the playerbase and most serious articles on the subject) is useless.

 

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