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FeeTFooD #1 Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:51 AM

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Panzer 3/4. My stats are better across the board except for assist. Win % 12% higher but WTR is lower.

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Dieselnuts #2 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:41 AM

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That's not the full picture. He survived almost twice as many battles as you. Also 101 vs 47 battles.

FeeTFooD #3 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:57 AM

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View PostDieselnuts, on 30 November 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

That's not the full picture. He survived almost twice as many battles as you. Also 101 vs 47 battles.

That's because he camps up the back the entire game and farms late game damage, whereas I am more willing to take risks and win 12% more of the time.

 

I'll also add my overall stats aren't reflective of my current performance. I used to suicide scout the tank back in 2011. Rebought it 2 weeks ago.


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Splattimus #4 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:30 AM

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At the end of the day... Any stat can be skewed, padded, or misrepresent whats actually going on.

At the end of the day, what you want to know is:-

Can I rely upon this person to help me?

Can I rely upon this person to do his bit?

Can I rely upon this person to want to help me achieve my objectives?

 

What help you want, what your objectives are, and what you think their bit is will effect what stats are more important for you to know about them.

 

And aint nobody gunna make a metric that detailed.

 

I don't care if their WN8, Win Rate, WTR whatever is greater than me, unless I'm dong comparing in the quiet time when I don't feel like playing. And with that kind of time, I can just grab all their stats and look at em.

Most people want a quick, in battle idea if the person fits into one of two catagories:-

Can Trust with Simple tasks or greater

Can't Trust with Simple tasks.

 

We'd all love a third "Will be an asset to our team and a great help", but padding, tilt, superiority complex, long grind in an non favorite tank...

 

So WTR... Meh, most likely about as useful as any of the others...


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Ezz #5 Posted 30 November 2019 - 10:38 AM

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No you're a terrible metric.

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FeeTFooD #6 Posted 30 November 2019 - 10:39 AM

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View PostEzz, on 30 November 2019 - 01:38 PM, said:

No you're a terrible metric.

Well that’s why we don’t measure things in FeeTFooDs. 


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View PostFeeTFooD, on 30 November 2019 - 07:57 AM, said:

That's because he camps up the back the entire game and farms late game damage, whereas I am more willing to take risks and win 12% more of the time.

 

I'll also add my overall stats aren't reflective of my current performance. I used to suicide scout the tank back in 2011. Rebought it 2 weeks ago.


More likely the person is marking a tank, which is less dependant on winning but more on your combined dmg in game. ofc ppl play more passive marking things, that's how it has always been...


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he might have more battles which affects wtr

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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #9 Posted 30 November 2019 - 01:06 PM

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View PostFeeTFooD, on 30 November 2019 - 06:51 AM, said:

Panzer 3/4. My stats are better across the board except for assist. Win % 12% higher but WTR is lower.

 

Because any measurement of skill that includes winrate results in toxicity



DEADMEAT82 #10 Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:01 PM

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Why do we even bother with this again? stay padding and blah blah is just the ego part of you talking. here is are a few things

1)if you want someone you can rely on, platoon with someone you know. Unless... you have no friends which is kinda SAD and yes I cap the word sad on purpose.

2)if you doing it alone and want to stat pad, remember it is 1 against 29 players. 15 out there are out to farm exp from you. the other 14 are there to steal your potential max exp gain.

3) If you have the extra time to stalk/hound someone, maybe plan your next game or go reflect what you did wrong or could have done better in that scenario. Instead of looking for excuses and reasons or who to take the blame.

 

BTW WTR is just a guideline at best, like sports pundits. 


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View PostTwit_, on 30 November 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:


More likely the person is marking a tank, which is less dependant on winning but more on your combined dmg in game. ofc ppl play more passive marking things, that's how it has always been...

 

Lets remind you that TRYING to mark tanks and ACTUALLY marking them are different things. If you in fact marked the tank it means you gathered enough damage, spotting and assistance for that achievement. Cant see how that is not helpful for your team and not helpful to get better win rate.. 


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I just checked and my WTR and it is about 5300. Used to play a heap in tier3 with mates playing T-127s and cruiser mk4. Would get awesome winrates and would give a massive boost to WN8 and player ratings. All that stat padding gold will be turned to lead when this new metric goes live. 

 

 



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View PostHexHammer, on 01 December 2019 - 10:58 AM, said:

I just checked and my WTR and it is about 5300. Used to play a heap in tier3 with mates playing T-127s and cruiser mk4. Would get awesome winrates and would give a massive boost to WN8 and player ratings. All that stat padding gold will be turned to lead when this new metric goes live. 

 

 

Anyone worth their salt would check your entire profile to see how you go in the upper tiers using the current methods anyway. 


Edited by FeeTFooD, 01 December 2019 - 08:01 AM.

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Ezz #14 Posted 01 December 2019 - 08:05 AM

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Maybe wg should create a metric that only uses tier 8 and above tanks.

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FeeTFooD #15 Posted 01 December 2019 - 10:07 AM

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WN8 was about 150 for this one. Topped team XP with assist damage.


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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #16 Posted 01 December 2019 - 10:14 AM

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So WN8 is a bad metric? Oh my who would have guessed


Ezz #17 Posted 01 December 2019 - 10:15 AM

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Feet was away for a while so he may have missed that memo.

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FeeTFooD #18 Posted 01 December 2019 - 10:33 AM

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Win rate best metric.

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While we're on this topic can we add badges onto the list of terrible metrics

 

 

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View PostEzz, on 30 November 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

No you're a terrible metric.

 

I'm guessing it's because Feet is an imperial unit of measure.


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