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Darksider267 #1 Posted 05 April 2020 - 05:16 PM

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The general consensus in DUCKY is that we're tired of teching war game after war game because Wargaming's Advance matchmaking system throws a hissy fit at high PRs. That's 2 teams, 2 hours and a single game followed by 1 team, 2 hours and 0 games. 

 

If the system is going to be shit, can we at least get some level of compensation? Currently a tech rewards the players with absolutely nothing and the clan with a disgustingly low number of boxes so it really kills everybody's interest in the game when it just happens over and over. It's not fun when we can reasonably expect to win gold and credit boosters if we can actually get a [edited] game but we just get constantly shit on by the system. For reference, unless you get citadelled, you earn more boxes for losing an Advance than you do for getting a tech. Players are losing rewards that they can reasonably expect to earn, and the clan as a whole is losing out on rewards too. 

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What doesn't make sense to me is why the tech system can't be fairer. It doesn't make sense to me that DUCKY is getting punished because our detachment's average PR is high. Why can't the matchmaker prioritise giving every clan a game? It's unfair that some clans can have 2 or 3 teams up and not tech a single game, but we can tech with a single team. If implementing a system where prioritising giving a clan's second team a tech is too difficult, can it at least be random instead of punishing the clan with the best PR so it's fair? 

 

And that reminds me, there have been instances where more than one team teched within an hour. How does that even work? If there are an even number of teams, how are people getting left out? I don't understand. 

 

This isn't even getting into the fact that getting techs every. single. [edited]. day just completely makes people lose interest in the game. We play advances because they're fun, but we can't have fun if we don't get to play in the first place... Really makes me want to just quit this shit game at this rate. 

 

 

And before someone comes in and derails this thread, I'm trying to make a complaint about the system so it can be changed. I'm not calling any clan out for doing anything wrong, I'm just saying that the system sucks and we happen to be getting [edited] the hardest. 


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Should penalize WG for tech vics.


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Have a +1. Here's to random MM in Advances in the future.


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Darksider267 #4 Posted 05 April 2020 - 09:10 PM

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View PostNapalmer, on 05 April 2020 - 08:34 PM, said:

Have a +1. Here's to random MM in Advances in the future.

Not necessarily random, just fairer in terms of teching. Completely random might be completely fair, but it can't be fun getting shitstomped by better clans 24/7. We just need a better balance of not [edited] one clan over. 


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Its nice and all to talk about that, but it doesnt make what OP said any less of a problem.

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View PostDarksider267, on 05 April 2020 - 08:16 PM, said:

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The general consensus in DUCKY is that we're tired of teching war game after war game because Wargaming's Advance matchmaking system throws a hissy fit at high PRs. That's 2 teams, 2 hours and a single game followed by 1 team, 2 hours and 0 games. 

 

If the system is going to be shit, can we at least get some level of compensation? Currently a tech rewards the players with absolutely nothing and the clan with a disgustingly low number of boxes so it really kills everybody's interest in the game when it just happens over and over. It's not fun when we can reasonably expect to win gold and credit boosters if we can actually get a [edited] game but we just get constantly shit on by the system. For reference, unless you get citadelled, you earn more boxes for losing an Advance than you do for getting a tech. Players are losing rewards that they can reasonably expect to earn, and the clan as a whole is losing out on rewards too. 

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What doesn't make sense to me is why the tech system can't be fairer. It doesn't make sense to me that DUCKY is getting punished because our detachment's average PR is high. Why can't the matchmaker prioritise giving every clan a game? It's unfair that some clans can have 2 or 3 teams up and not tech a single game, but we can tech with a single team. If implementing a system where prioritising giving a clan's second team a tech is too difficult, can it at least be random instead of punishing the clan with the best PR so it's fair? 

 

And that reminds me, there have been instances where more than one team teched within an hour. How does that even work? If there are an even number of teams, how are people getting left out? I don't understand. 

 

This isn't even getting into the fact that getting techs every. single. [edited]. day just completely makes people lose interest in the game. We play advances because they're fun, but we can't have fun if we don't get to play in the first place... Really makes me want to just quit this shit game at this rate. 

 

 

And before someone comes in and derails this thread, I'm trying to make a complaint about the system so it can be changed. I'm not calling any clan out for doing anything wrong, I'm just saying that the system sucks and we happen to be getting [edited] the hardest. 


Darksider, unfortunately you post won't garner a lot of sympathy or response form WG as you and your clan mates are part of the problem.

The AU server does not have the numbers to support a large number of competitive clans.

I get that players want to and are attracted to the better clans on the AU server, but it is this same desire that creates the imbalance, to the point where lesser clans just simply give up playing advances due to getting stomped on by the top few clans that do want competition.

Sadly for clans such as yours HK is your only option.

Yes there is an argument to be had that playing better clans makes you learn and get better but night after night and then to have those same clans come in with ridiculous line ups just to TROLL those lesser clans, seriously is this the behaviour you should be showing.

Another option for you is to bring non reward tanks but tech tree meta ones. To be fair lining up with tech tree tanks against donquerors, 907 and 279(e) or 260 teaches no one anything.

I also see clans like yours and others playing 279(e) in pubbies and you ask yourself why the player base is waining.

Granted not your fault if a player has earnt it then why shouldn't they play it.

Sadly the blame lies with WG and they either don't see it as a problem worthy of attention or indeed have no intention of fixing it and returning to balance.

I feel somewhat bemused that you post complaining of the lack of competition.

How about you spread yourselves about in the lesser clans to educate or teach them tactics and calling and be part of the community rather than the elite that sit whinging about a lack of serious competition.

Even the campaigns are weighted to the top clans, the better they are the more FAME to bid and win whilst the lesser clans eek out just enough to keep them interested for the first week at least but then....

No easy fixes for you sadly.

 



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View PostRanork, on 07 April 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:


Darksider, unfortunately you post won't garner a lot of sympathy or response form WG as you and your clan mates are part of the problem.

The AU server does not have the numbers to support a large number of competitive clans.

I get that players want to and are attracted to the better clans on the AU server, but it is this same desire that creates the imbalance, to the point where lesser clans just simply give up playing advances due to getting stomped on by the top few clans that do want competition.

Sadly for clans such as yours HK is your only option.

Yes there is an argument to be had that playing better clans makes you learn and get better but night after night and then to have those same clans come in with ridiculous line ups just to TROLL those lesser clans, seriously is this the behaviour you should be showing.

Another option for you is to bring non reward tanks but tech tree meta ones. To be fair lining up with tech tree tanks against donquerors, 907 and 279(e) or 260 teaches no one anything.

I also see clans like yours and others playing 279(e) in pubbies and you ask yourself why the player base is waining.

Granted not your fault if a player has earnt it then why shouldn't they play it.

Sadly the blame lies with WG and they either don't see it as a problem worthy of attention or indeed have no intention of fixing it and returning to balance.

I feel somewhat bemused that you post complaining of the lack of competition.

How about you spread yourselves about in the lesser clans to educate or teach them tactics and calling and be part of the community rather than the elite that sit whinging about a lack of serious competition.

Even the campaigns are weighted to the top clans, the better they are the more FAME to bid and win whilst the lesser clans eek out just enough to keep them interested for the first week at least but then....

No easy fixes for you sadly.

 


You complained about us bringing non-meta lineups and then suggested we bring non meta lineups to offset the skill difference... 

 

I don't think I can put this nicely but I think it's dumb how much hate top clans get for being the top clan and how entitled you guys act in that regard. You're literally asking for charity from us; please, bring bad lineups and send your players to other clans because we don't like losing. Why are we obligated to do any of that, and why are you guys entitled to it? Half the time you guys are whinging and asking for fair competition, whilst the other half of the time you're whinging that because the competition isn't fair because you get shitstomped. The onus shouldn't be on us to pander to you guys, the onus should be on WG to find the right balance of fun and competition and on you guys for getting better, but clearly WG isn't doing a very good job right now because we're getting [edited] and you guys aren't having fun. 


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View PostDarksider267, on 05 April 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

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The general consensus in DUCKY is that we're tired of teching war game after war game because Wargaming's Advance matchmaking system throws a hissy fit at high PRs. That's 2 teams, 2 hours and a single game followed by 1 team, 2 hours and 0 games. 

 

If the system is going to be shit, can we at least get some level of compensation? Currently a tech rewards the players with absolutely nothing and the clan with a disgustingly low number of boxes so it really kills everybody's interest in the game when it just happens over and over. It's not fun when we can reasonably expect to win gold and credit boosters if we can actually get a [edited] game but we just get constantly shit on by the system. For reference, unless you get citadelled, you earn more boxes for losing an Advance than you do for getting a tech. Players are losing rewards that they can reasonably expect to earn, and the clan as a whole is losing out on rewards too. 

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What doesn't make sense to me is why the tech system can't be fairer. It doesn't make sense to me that DUCKY is getting punished because our detachment's average PR is high. Why can't the matchmaker prioritise giving every clan a game? It's unfair that some clans can have 2 or 3 teams up and not tech a single game, but we can tech with a single team. If implementing a system where prioritising giving a clan's second team a tech is too difficult, can it at least be random instead of punishing the clan with the best PR so it's fair? 

 

And that reminds me, there have been instances where more than one team teched within an hour. How does that even work? If there are an even number of teams, how are people getting left out? I don't understand. 

 

This isn't even getting into the fact that getting techs every. single. [edited]. day just completely makes people lose interest in the game. We play advances because they're fun, but we can't have fun if we don't get to play in the first place... Really makes me want to just quit this shit game at this rate. 

 

 

And before someone comes in and derails this thread, I'm trying to make a complaint about the system so it can be changed. I'm not calling any clan out for doing anything wrong, I'm just saying that the system sucks and we happen to be getting [edited] the hardest. 

+1 high PR techs happen in both timeslots for anz/hk. it is a bit silly


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View PostRanork, on 07 April 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:


Darksider, unfortunately you post won't garner a lot of sympathy or response form WG as you and your clan mates are part of the problem.

The AU server does not have the numbers to support a large number of competitive clans.

I get that players want to and are attracted to the better clans on the AU server, but it is this same desire that creates the imbalance, to the point where lesser clans just simply give up playing advances due to getting stomped on by the top few clans that do want competition.

Sadly for clans such as yours HK is your only option.

Yes there is an argument to be had that playing better clans makes you learn and get better but night after night and then to have those same clans come in with ridiculous line ups just to TROLL those lesser clans, seriously is this the behaviour you should be showing.

Another option for you is to bring non reward tanks but tech tree meta ones. To be fair lining up with tech tree tanks against donquerors, 907 and 279(e) or 260 teaches no one anything.

I also see clans like yours and others playing 279(e) in pubbies and you ask yourself why the player base is waining.

Granted not your fault if a player has earnt it then why shouldn't they play it.

Sadly the blame lies with WG and they either don't see it as a problem worthy of attention or indeed have no intention of fixing it and returning to balance.

I feel somewhat bemused that you post complaining of the lack of competition.

How about you spread yourselves about in the lesser clans to educate or teach them tactics and calling and be part of the community rather than the elite that sit whinging about a lack of serious competition.

Even the campaigns are weighted to the top clans, the better they are the more FAME to bid and win whilst the lesser clans eek out just enough to keep them interested for the first week at least but then....

No easy fixes for you sadly.

 

We did,

 

We brought Sconq / 277 / EBR and stomped you just as hard, while you used Chief/907 Spam. Dont act like Reward tanks are creating imbalance when you use them yourselves, even when we dont as you requested.

 

Have you checked the player count recently? I dont think the playerbase is waining :)


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View PostDeL_UwU, on 07 April 2020 - 06:54 PM, said:

We did,

 

We brought Sconq / 277 / EBR and stomped you just as hard, while you used Chief/907 Spam. Dont act like Reward tanks are creating imbalance when you use them yourselves, even when we dont as you requested.

 

Have you checked the player count recently? I dont think the playerbase is waining :)


No Del you bought a ridiculous line up of all EBRs and BC etc.

Yes we bought a few reward tanks but not 15 as the clan does not have that many. We maybe had 4 Donquerors and a few 907 thats it so at least we did stand a chance of maybe getting at least 1 kill.

You guys asked for some suggestions I merely replied, no need to get down in the gutter about it I was simply offering an opinion on how you could make some games more competitive and why you currently won't get good battles from the clans available on the AU server.

Sorry that we are not worthy of your eminences.

As for the player base check the numbers now the exclamation mark has disappeared from the HK server on log in!

Also how many clans are still lining up for advances prior to FL opening up? Not many and they won't with the current rotation.

Don't get me wrong I agree the PR ranking stifles a lot of what might be considered clan rotations in battles but its not the only reason.



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We arent complaining about clans stopping, We are complaining when there are 8 teams in rotation (2 of which are ducky) yet both of Ducky Tech.

 

The game before the meme lineups, it was live oaks I remember the match, We were south and pushed town with 277/ Sconq. I was in a batchat I think or EBR spotting south.

We stomped you guys silly even though you had "Donquerors and 907" sidenote but why do you call them Donquerors? It just sounds stupid



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View PostEzz, on 07 April 2020 - 03:59 PM, said:

Wait so they asked for no reward tanks then brought them themselves? Lol.

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It doesnt really matter what you guys bring, the difference in experience and skill is all that's needed to win against most of these clans.

 

There is a certain mechanical skill level that's needed before tactical skill level makes a significant difference. A lot of AU/NZ clans lack the mechanical skill to actually make most plays work against good clans. You could give every single one of them meta tanks but it won't matter. 

 


This is all irrelevant to the actual OP though, but its symptomatic of earlier failings in clan wars and the 'too little, too late' response. 


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View PostRanork, on 07 April 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:


Darksider, unfortunately you post won't garner a lot of sympathy or response form WG as you and your clan mates are part of the problem.

The AU server does not have the numbers to support a large number of competitive clans.

I get that players want to and are attracted to the better clans on the AU server, but it is this same desire that creates the imbalance, to the point where lesser clans just simply give up playing advances due to getting stomped on by the top few clans that do want competition.

Sadly for clans such as yours HK is your only option.

Yes there is an argument to be had that playing better clans makes you learn and get better but night after night and then to have those same clans come in with ridiculous line ups just to TROLL those lesser clans, seriously is this the behaviour you should be showing.

Another option for you is to bring non reward tanks but tech tree meta ones. To be fair lining up with tech tree tanks against donquerors, 907 and 279(e) or 260 teaches no one anything.

I also see clans like yours and others playing 279(e) in pubbies and you ask yourself why the player base is waining.

Granted not your fault if a player has earnt it then why shouldn't they play it.

Sadly the blame lies with WG and they either don't see it as a problem worthy of attention or indeed have no intention of fixing it and returning to balance.

I feel somewhat bemused that you post complaining of the lack of competition.

How about you spread yourselves about in the lesser clans to educate or teach them tactics and calling and be part of the community rather than the elite that sit whinging about a lack of serious competition.

Even the campaigns are weighted to the top clans, the better they are the more FAME to bid and win whilst the lesser clans eek out just enough to keep them interested for the first week at least but then....

No easy fixes for you sadly.

 

None of our players play the 279 in randoms. If you think good players, playing randoms ruins the game?  Then your delusional. 

 

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View PostDeL_UwU, on 08 April 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

We arent complaining about clans stopping, We are complaining when there are 8 teams in rotation (2 of which are ducky) yet both of Ducky Tech.

 

The game before the meme lineups, it was live oaks I remember the match, We were south and pushed town with 277/ Sconq. I was in a batchat I think or EBR spotting south.

We stomped you guys silly even though you had "Donquerors and 907" sidenote but why do you call them Donquerors? It just sounds stupid


Del, Trust me I get where you guys are coming from but, put simply a change in how the PR system works won't provide you guys with a better challenge.

All it will do is open up to more lesser clans for you to roflstomp.

Again no offense as I know how good you guys are both in tactics and game play I have experienced it many time painfully and as an older person find it difficult to keep up.

I don't have the answers but I do not believe changing the PR rating will help you guys get harder challenges or bring anyone closer to your clans level.

Only those clans above you can provide that.

As frustrating as it is for you guys I have even heard and see clans intentionally lowering their PR rating in order to avoid playing against you.

This is Kudos for you guys but sadly means less competition for you.

Imagine if there was no ranking at all you guys would become equally bored by simply being able to wipe out another team of much lesser PR in like under two minutes!



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View PostDeL_UwU, on 08 April 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

We stomped you guys silly even though you had "Donquerors and 907" sidenote but why do you call them Donquerors? It just sounds stupid

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View PostNapalmer, on 08 April 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

It's a term QB coined because he believes any idiot can do well in one. It's also because he's salty he can't get one himself, because he's really not as good as he thinks he is. :hiding:


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View PostDeL_UwU, on 07 April 2020 - 07:54 AM, said:

We did,

 

We brought Sconq / 277 / EBR and stomped you just as hard, while you used Chief/907 Spam. Dont act like Reward tanks are creating imbalance when you use them yourselves, even when we dont as you requested.

 

Have you checked the player count recently? I dont think the playerbase is waining :)

 

Let me just stop your BS right here..

 

When we faced Ducky we had no problem fighting every game, however when i messaged rainbow in discord I apologised that we wern't going to be much of a competition without enough Meta reward tanks, 279es and chiefs.

 

We brought 4 chiefs and 2 907s, rest were all tech tree based, yes we use them and i never said ONCE don't use them have I? This is just the interpretation you have taken from Rainbow.

 

He then said ok we won't bring them

 

I then said, no its fine you can use them and play just don't expect much from us (as we are a new formed clan, so still getting our feet)

 

So before u all go ranting off on some tangent like you said we COMPLAINED about meta reward tanks that's not how it went down and i have the discord convo prior to this, of Rainbow being a toxic [edited]about it all.

 

The worst part was you guys decided to INTENTIONALLY throw the citadel to extend the wargames duration making us have to fight 3 additional battles because you kept throwing on the citadel.. - unsportsmanlike conduct we then brought light tank line ups to try and extend the game aslong as possible to force you to try and win/cap us and citadel us and yet you then go and throw your tanks off cliffs to intentionally lose.

 

This is all with WG and there staff... so look at your actions before you start complaining.

 

So we then refused to turn up and fight the 9th game for 1 wargames advance... and you wonder why you get no competition when you do BS like this..... take a long look at yourselves and wonder if your the problem we don't have high PR clans going into advances etc or they are dropping the PR intentionally so they don't have to face your BS that you pull...

 

The competition will only lesson over time if all this crap keeps happening and people will just refuse to play the game mode all together and you will end up with nothing.

 

Use your reward tanks, use whatever you want to win, just don't complain when you don't get any competition or keep teching out... WG isn't going to introduce a system to allow you to fight a 4k PR team when your at 8-9k PR its just unbalanced and that team doesn't want to get stomped every advance having to face you... so GL with that... if you want competition go play HK against ATLUS/OPA and other clans that are full of top shots also.

 


Edited by _RooN_, 09 April 2020 - 08:48 AM.

 


_RooN_ #20 Posted 09 April 2020 - 08:52 AM

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View PostDeL_UwU, on 08 April 2020 - 03:11 AM, said:

yeah MIHI are a weird bunch

 

And NO.

 

Ezz we never once said to DUCKY not to use Reward tanks, we said we won't be as competitive without them and for them to continue to use them in the conversation..I assume Rainbow doesn't actually post the real conversations and just takes what he wants to read and then spread crap throughout his clan..


 





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