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nadoblabla #1 Posted 24 June 2020 - 10:36 PM

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So where are you [Content removed] who love to defend OP tanks by being denial or boasting that you can beat them while 2/3 player complain? Where are you [Content removed] who love to say things like this :

 

"Oh X is not OP at all"

"X is only OP on good player hand"

"X is not OP. I eat them daily for breakfast"

 

or any other kind of denial which covers up your insecurity, worrying that you will lose your lovely tank if it gets nerfed??

 

If you replace X with... EBR. 

Let me present you with the video from RagingRaptor...

 

 

Now the only thing is to ensure that this nerf will make it to the production server. Don't let those who said "ah now it's power creep", "uninstall, can't let them nerf my EBR 75 that I paid with my hard-earned money" get in our way. 

 

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nadoblabla #2 Posted 24 June 2020 - 10:46 PM

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In case you hate RagingRaptor or you don't have data to watch YT videos, these are the nerfs. CMIIW, since I am in a hurry and I might miss some things.

 

To ALL Wheeled Vehicles (incl EBR 75 and lower tier wheeled)

- Hitting one tire will give a direct noticeable huge speed decrease. It will decrease much faster

- Hitting two tires will give it another major speed decrease compared to not hitting at all, albeit little changes compared to hitting only one tire

 

To EBR 105

- gun handling minor nerf (aim time, dispersion, and so on)

- View range 10 m nerf

- Speed minor nerf

- Engine fire chance from 10% to 15%

- Engine power nerf

 

To EBR 90

- Top speed/Reverse speed minor nerf

- Engine power minor nerf

 

For the exact detail, please visit RagingRaptor vids


Edited by nadoblabla, 24 June 2020 - 10:50 PM.


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Not sure on the preamble, you seen rather insecure about something or like you copped a bit of flack at some stage for something you'd posted, but you'll probably realise pretty quickly this isn't the na forums.

 

Beyond that I suspect the core issues with the ebrs will remain. Will obviously need to see how they perform but suspect they'll still be impactful and annoying enough for the pubbies to have a whine about.


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View PostEzz, on 24 June 2020 - 09:49 PM, said:

Not sure on the preamble, you seen rather insecure about something or like you copped a bit of flack at some stage for something you'd posted, but you'll probably realise pretty quickly this isn't the na forums.

 

Beyond that I suspect the core issues with the ebrs will remain. Will obviously need to see how they perform but suspect they'll still be impactful and annoying enough for the pubbies to have a while about.

ah indeed. i just came back from EU forum and I am still annoyed with some people on EU defending OP tanks. I forgot that most of Asians do agree on the OP ones.

 

But still the context remain the same.

 

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Lower the chances of wheeled vehicles receiving "critical damage". Instead, shave off its HP.

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That's the thing, the wheel shields will remain, as will the stupid maneuverability. The problem wg face is too much of a nerf and they'd quickly become as irrelevant as the brit lights.

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What a horrid idea. -25km if an arty misses you and blows a wheel off and -45 if he hits two.

So basically SPG just have to hit the same continent as an EBR and eventually he will run out of repair kits and die.

 

As usual, balance team not playing the game...


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View PostNapalmer, on 24 June 2020 - 11:35 AM, said:

What a horrid idea. -25km if an arty misses you and blows a wheel off and -45 if he hits two.

So basically SPG just have to hit the same continent as an EBR and eventually he will run out of repair kits and die.

 

As usual, balance team not playing the game...

 

EBRs being unplayable is a good thing for this game. Sorry Nappa.

 

Unless we get more high-speed tracked vehicles, or more LTs get that ridicluous auto-aim to hit fast moving targets, there is just too much of a disparity between a single tech tree and the entire rest of the game.


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View PostFramFramson, on 25 June 2020 - 05:36 AM, said:

 

EBRs being unplayable is a good thing for this game. Sorry Nappa.

 

Unless we get more high-speed tracked vehicles, or more LTs get that ridicluous auto-aim to hit fast moving targets, there is just too much of a disparity between a single tech tree and the entire rest of the game.

It's more that tier 10 LT are under powered as a whole rather than the EBR being OP. You can thank the trash patch 9.18 for that.

Of the other tier 10 LT, in the words of Saffe himself, all of them are trash except for the T-100.

 

We nerf the EBR, T-100 becomes meta and only T-100s are used. Will players say the T-100 is OP then because of the gun handling, low profile, potential armour and speed?

It would make so much more sense if the other tier 10 LT were buffed in different ways.

 

For example, maybe the Rhm had stupidly high base VR, the WZ had a gun rivaling that of a MT, the 13 105 had a shorter reload making it a viable run and gun tank, sheridan has an alpha buff on the derp and a massive dpm buff on the 105mm, and the Manticore stupidly high camo but a high alpha gun. 490?

 

Idea being that each of them all play a bit differently, rather than the EBR simply being better because it's the fastest.


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So the 75 won't be affected because premmie.

 

Yeah WG should've made the Lynx the premium instead. Or instead made the EBR 75 a tier 8.5, which means it meets tier 9 and X more than tier 8.


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Agree that lights need work, but that wouldn't address the current issue of how broken the ebrs are. A bit of both would be ideal.

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The way wheeled tanks work means properly balancing them is going to be tricky. There will be a fine line between broken OP and broken UP.

 

WG should avoid what they usually do and be heavy handed with nerf/buffs then not touching for years. Instead they should do relatively small changes at a time, not because they would be expected to be the end state but to properly understand how they work with the meta. Then adjust further as necessary much sooner after than they traditionally do. 

 

Unfortunately though the ebr 75 almost certainly won't be touched as has ready been mentioned due it being a premium.

 

Sorry Napa but the fact they don't slow down much when wheels are hit is a large part of why they are broken. Possibly give them more health to compensate as they are very fragile, but the movement reduction is warranted when wheels are hit.


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It’s the [edited]physics that make them broken, the fact that they can turn and stop/ start on a dime which makes them very hard to hit.

Combined with the fact that they always right themselves, can pull off snap shots on the move because auto-aim, and successfully make suicidal yolo runs which they can somehow get away with makes then OP.

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The EBR 75 will have the slowed speed on wheel damage change.

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View Postmttspiii, on 25 June 2020 - 05:10 AM, said:

So the 75 won't be affected because premmie.

 

Yeah WG should've made the Lynx the premium instead. Or instead made the EBR 75 a tier 8.5, which means it meets tier 9 and X more than tier 8.

 

On encounter an EBR will do 260 x 2 HE damage while the Lynx will do 240 AP, and EBR is faster. It makes no sense to play the Lynx or even own one.


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Bring on the nerfs, this is exactly what is needed imo.

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View PostAoyama_Blue_Mountain, on 25 June 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

On encounter an EBR will do 260 x 2 HE damage while the Lynx will do 240 AP, and EBR is faster. It makes no sense to play the Lynx or even own one.

 

Which is why it should be a premium while the ebr 75 becomes a tech tree tank.


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View Postnadoblabla, on 24 June 2020 - 10:36 PM, said:

So where are you [Content removed] who love to defend OP tanks by being denial or boasting that you can beat them while 2/3 player complain? Where are you [Content removed] who love to say things like this :

 

"Oh X is not OP at all"

"X is only OP on good player hand"

"X is not OP. I eat them daily for breakfast"

 

or any other kind of denial which covers up your insecurity, worrying that you will lose your lovely tank if it gets nerfed??

 

If you replace X with... EBR. 

Let me present you with the video from RagingRaptor...

 

 

Now the only thing is to ensure that this nerf will make it to the production server. Don't let those who said "ah now it's power creep", "uninstall, can't let them nerf my EBR 75 that I paid with my hard-earned money" get in our way. 

 

Enjoy the video and don't forget to give RagingRaptor thumbs up. nope, I don't get money from him. I simply feel he (and WG in this case) deserves a like if you do watch it.

 

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