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XDeathLordX #1 Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:57 PM

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Just looking through the tier 9 and 10s on the german line and noticed the Maus uses tier 9 ammo just like the tier 9 tanks in the german line? even the E100 has greater pen, the only tank at tier 10 that is less is the scout. 

Can WG please explain why tier 9 ammo in a tier 10 tank ?



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It's apcr. Heat will have higher pen.

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lol just stop whining bruv. look at IS-7

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Maus is tall enough to negate the armor slope on many of the tanks you would face. Anything more than 311 would be a bit unfair. It is designed for brawls at close range where its height gives you an upper hand, and not suitable for medium - long range. If you feel like you are bouncing too many shots, get closer to the enemy tanks where you can use the tank to your advantage :) 


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Yep, just about to call out the IS-7. :trollface:

And if you really want to get into it with WG, even tier 8 tank destroyers are using the MAUS gun, yet I think the gun is fine on the MAUS. Don't think the problem with the MAUS is its gun. :popcorn:


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View PostXDeathLordX, on 29 June 2020 - 01:57 PM, said:

Just looking through the tier 9 and 10s on the german line and noticed the Maus uses tier 9 ammo just like the tier 9 tanks in the german line? even the E100 has greater pen, the only tank at tier 10 that is less is the scout. 

Can WG please explain why tier 9 ammo in a tier 10 tank ?

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View PostAKASHA178, on 30 June 2020 - 07:07 AM, said:

after 29k game on maus, you noticed that now ?!!!!! 

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View PostAKASHA178, on 30 June 2020 - 05:07 AM, said:

after 29k game on maus, you noticed that now ?!!!!! 

 

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Play the maus more, you will see that it doesn't need much more pen for anything. It can pen all tank because of slope from above, maybe E3 is hard but if you aim properly its not. The pen is fine because of the height.
 
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Rainbow Assassin, 2 battles in a Maus doesnt make you knowledgeable, e3 was nerfed and then on the quiet rebuffed on the top so gold rounds point blank range cannot pen it, i have tried many times with friends in training room to prove it was rebuffed. Most weak spots are lower glacis so therefore the height of the barrel is a disadvantage unless enemy tank is higher than Maus. When most meds have average 330-340 pen then yes 311 is an issue, regardless it is still tier 9 ammo and that has been proven just by looking at tier 9 tanks. If the armour is that good why does it have 3k hp? cause WG knows it is full of holes just like the gun mantlet that holds the barrel in place, gets penned often.

 

Akasha178, what can I say, Most of good players have left the game so boredom crept in and I was curious as to why alot of my gold rounds bounced even off tier 8 tanks

 

 Moderator, as for your comment implying that it is me and not the gun, best you do your research first, Don't think the problem with the MAUS is its gun, Dont forget you are a moderator, you dont imply anything against anyone as it shows a form of bullying which is not tolerated, refer to topic, not the player. As for tds they are meant to have higher pen, and considering history showed that the maus was to get the jagtiger gun but that would have given the maus an extra 50 pen and cant have that.

 

Elite,  refer to what i said to rainbow in regards to height, it is also not designed for brawling, I am assuming you dont have a maus or you would know that the traverse against meds up close is a fail, there is no upper hand for height, meds sits beside the maus the barrel cannot depress enough to hit it so that negates your arguement on being a close brawler.  it is designed for med and long range, the 128 mm gun was designed for just that, the lack of turret rotation is beyond me how you think closer to enemy is an advantage. i think you mean advantages the enemy for ease of shooting the turret.

 

 

DFOxTrOxTron  IS7 has sloped armour, faster movement speed and traverse speed nearly double of maus, enough said.

 

All things said it is still tier 9 ammo in a tier 10 gun and tank. Evidence  of that sits on the tier 9s on german line.

 

Apart from the personal attacks on me implying there is something wrong with my game play and how i play the maus shows many are ignorant of facts, burda's medal 5 arty kills in one battle and winning the battle 1 vs 7 on ruinberg before the 212a arty removed from tier 10 to tier 9 (WG lowered the top amount of kills needed to reflect 3 kills due to max amount of arty in a battle now), 1 Pools medal, 4 radley walters, 10 billotes medals, 72 maus trap medals, 16 bolter medals , 2 kolobanov medals, these were all achieved in the maus.  if it is game play then these were put on my account by mistake and must surely be removed :)  so enough of the insults, be an adult in here and leave the trash talk in game where it belongs thank you :) have a nice day

 

 



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View PostXDeathLordX, on 30 June 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

Rainbow Assassin, 2 battles in a Maus doesnt make you knowledgeable, e3 was nerfed and then on the quiet rebuffed on the top so gold rounds point blank range cannot pen it, i have tried many times with friends in training room to prove it was rebuffed. Most weak spots are lower glacis so therefore the height of the barrel is a disadvantage unless enemy tank is higher than Maus. When most meds have average 330-340 pen then yes 311 is an issue, regardless it is still tier 9 ammo and that has been proven just by looking at tier 9 tanks. If the armour is that good why does it have 3k hp? cause WG knows it is full of holes just like the gun mantlet that holds the barrel in place, gets penned often.

 

Akasha178, what can I say, Most of good players have left the game so boredom crept in and I was curious as to why alot of my gold rounds bounced even off tier 8 tanks

 

 Moderator, as for your comment implying that it is me and not the gun, best you do your research first, Don't think the problem with the MAUS is its gun, Dont forget you are a moderator, you dont imply anything against anyone as it shows a form of bullying which is not tolerated, refer to topic, not the player. As for tds they are meant to have higher pen, and considering history showed that the maus was to get the jagtiger gun but that would have given the maus an extra 50 pen and cant have that.

 

Elite,  refer to what i said to rainbow in regards to height, it is also not designed for brawling, I am assuming you dont have a maus or you would know that the traverse against meds up close is a fail, there is no upper hand for height, meds sits beside the maus the barrel cannot depress enough to hit it so that negates your arguement on being a close brawler.  it is designed for med and long range, the 128 mm gun was designed for just that, the lack of turret rotation is beyond me how you think closer to enemy is an advantage. i think you mean advantages the enemy for ease of shooting the turret.

 

 

DFOxTrOxTron  IS7 has sloped armour, faster movement speed and traverse speed nearly double of maus, enough said.

 

All things said it is still tier 9 ammo in a tier 10 gun and tank. Evidence  of that sits on the tier 9s on german line.

 

Apart from the personal attacks on me implying there is something wrong with my game play and how i play the maus shows many are ignorant of facts, burda's medal 5 arty kills in one battle and winning the battle 1 vs 7 on ruinberg before the 212a arty removed from tier 10 to tier 9 (WG lowered the top amount of kills needed to reflect 3 kills due to max amount of arty in a battle now), 1 Pools medal, 4 radley walters, 10 billotes medals, 72 maus trap medals, 16 bolter medals , 2 kolobanov medals, these were all achieved in the maus.  if it is game play then these were put on my account by mistake and must surely be removed :)  so enough of the insults, be an adult in here and leave the trash talk in game where it belongs thank you :) have a nice day

 

 

Honest question not a personal attack, how do you know you haven't got something to learn about high tier gameplay in general and the Maus specifically?

 

How do you account for players that have a much higher win rate than you in high tier heavies and the Maus specifically?

 

I don't even have the Maus, not really interested in it. I prefer LTs and mediums.  What I find odd though is that after so many games in any tank, you ought to be able to play it as well as anyone that specialises. Does it not give you pause to consider that possibly you are doing something wrong in it?

 

Let's say for the sake of argument you are right and the only thing holding you back is that it needs better pen. Surely you would be able to demonstrate that with high statistics in other heavies you have that are not similarly burdened with low pen on premium ammo?

 

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View PostXDeathLordX, on 30 June 2020 - 10:12 PM, said:

 I was curious as to why alot of my gold rounds bounced even off tier 8 tanks

They saw how broken they made the maus, so they decided to make tier 8s similarly broken. Unheard of right? Having to aim and know weak spots when shooting a tier 8?~?~? If only there was a lake to drown in right?


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View PostXDeathLordX, on 30 June 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

Rainbow Assassin, 2 battles in a Maus doesnt make you knowledgeable, e3 was nerfed and then on the quiet rebuffed on the top so gold rounds point blank range cannot pen it, i have tried many times with friends in training room to prove it was rebuffed. Most weak spots are lower glacis so therefore the height of the barrel is a disadvantage unless enemy tank is higher than Maus. When most meds have average 330-340 pen then yes 311 is an issue, regardless it is still tier 9 ammo and that has been proven just by looking at tier 9 tanks. If the armour is that good why does it have 3k hp? cause WG knows it is full of holes just like the gun mantlet that holds the barrel in place, gets penned often.

What you are trying to imply doesn't make any sense. You are telling us that more battles = more knowledgeable or better player, that logic is totally flawed. Even though he has only 2 battles, he seems to be doing perfectly fine and he does better than you who has 29k battles in the Maus. I bet he would have better everything (pen ratio, dmg blocked, DPG, MoE) after 100+ battles (if you were worried about the small sample size) than you, which would then show that he is more knowledgeable at playing it than you. 
And you shouldn't be brawling with an E3. You must have learnt that from past experience surely after 29k battles.
 

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Elite,  refer to what i said to rainbow in regards to height, it is also not designed for brawling, I am assuming you dont have a maus or you would know that the traverse against meds up close is a fail, there is no upper hand for height, meds sits beside the maus the barrel cannot depress enough to hit it so that negates your argument on being a close brawler.  it is designed for med and long range, the 128 mm gun was designed for just that, the lack of turret rotation is beyond me how you think closer to enemy is an advantage. i think you mean advantages the enemy for ease of shooting the turret.

I do have the Maus. And I never said you should be brawling with fast mediums that can outflank you. If that is how you play the game, maybe you should be more worried about your play style and not the APCR pen. Ever heard about controlled aggression? Play at 100-200 m from enemy tanks (preferably enemy heavy tanks). If you feel like there is a chance that you might get yolo'd by some fast medium, slowly reverse into some cover so he can't get on your flanks. Or maybe you can try playing with teammates and not going in alone. 

 

Every tank has its own strengths and weakness. You can't have it all at the same time. In your case, the Maus has stupid good armor if you know how to use it and a gun with decent accuracy. It plays its own role. Learn to exploit them. 

Never the less, this post looks like someone trying to show off the no. of battles he has in his Maus (if that is anything special to brag about), looking at the way you seem to be replying to some of the constructive criticisms. If you are still willing to learn, PM some of the players who you think are better than you at the tank, and I am sure at least 10% of those players would be willing to help you out with their replays ;)


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View PostNameWasStolenStresslevel, on 30 June 2020 - 10:54 AM, said:

 

LOL. I am happy that I am not the only one who have issues noticing important things. I have been pronouncing my boss name completly wrong for 2 years and only recently I found out it was wrong...

 

Was his name spelt Bastarde?



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View PostPuggsley, on 01 July 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

 

Was his name spelt Bastarde?

 

My main problem is that if I dont know someone's name I just use a string of words in the perfect voice tone that resembles the aproximate name the person is likely to be called. Yes I like guessing things in real life too Puggsley, its a habbit.. He is actually a quite nice boss, but he dont use nametag (like everyone else) so when he introduced himself (i couldnt hear his name during the introduction) and then he disappeared for a week. So the week later I didnt want to ask his name again because I thought it was gonna be rude, so I just spelled any random string of words in a low voice tone and he thought I was saying his name. Since then I have been using the same string of word, for 2 years until recently I found his name was another one and now that I know it everybody lives their life normally and nothing changed.

 

MORAL OF STORY: not everyone cares about a particular thing until it becomes necessary to know about it? For example, 311 pen in the MAUS and 381 pen may look pretty similar if you dont care about it.

 

Not everyone will investigate things deeply or have curiosity for things aside for things they care about. Maybe the guy only played the MAUS just to use the armor or armor gameplay or the satisfaction of getting hit and dying by a big MAUS-style explosion???? He didnt play MAUS for shooting  other tanks, he played for getting hit instead. Thats why he never cared about the penetration or the gun?? Thats why I didnt care about my boss name, I didnt need to know it because we are not exactly talking all the time, for me all that matter is that he was nice to me whenever we talked, and it worked like that for 2 years.

 

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