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Centurion_MK64 #21 Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:32 PM

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My opinion as a long term player is this:

 

CW will never be free from rule breaking until the penalties are applied to match the impact it has on the game, If this was a team in WG League they would all be kicked from the competition and all rewards and prizes removed. I dont buy the "it was only one player" argument. One player who cheats breaks the rules can have a massive impact on the outcome of a game and everyone in that match benefits from the act as well as the clan as a whole.

 

If an individual is caught cheating breaking the rules in any team sport the w\hole team is sanctioned, it makes for an honest group. If, as they claim, the other clan members knew this was happening and were against it why didnt they contact WG and ask for action to be taken rather than sit back and now complain because the facts came out. I didnt see anyone stepping up and becoming a whistle-blower. Why did they ready up for the battles rather than sitting them out?

 

Other teams have put in a massive effort to play to the rules and their efforts have been diminished by the failure to remove every single member of both clans from the Alley of Fame.

 

And in case you are wondering, for all the above reasons I dont do CW as a competitive player anymore. I turn up and help out when the clan needs me to, so no I am not worried by the lack of a tank.


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_Sammich_ #22 Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:40 PM

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View Postwasaabi, on 06 July 2020 - 02:57 AM, said:

It is not uncommon in such situations for the leader to be sanctioned in the same way on the principal that if they were not involved then it shows poor leadership.  ie. you take responsibility for everything under your watch.  In at least one of the clans involved the leader has been in this situation more than twice.

Surely a 3 strikes and you’re out policy should apply here.


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DragonCheese #23 Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:43 PM

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i couldn't agree more Centurion, right on the money for me.

 



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If an individual is caught cheating breaking the rules in any team sport the w\hole team is sanctioned, it makes for an honest group. If, as they claim, the other clan members knew this was happening and were against it why didnt they contact WG and ask for action to be taken rather than sit back and now complain because the facts came out. I didnt see anyone stepping up and becoming a whistle-blower. Why did they ready up for the battles rather than sitting them out?

 

Other teams have put in a massive effort to play to the rules and their efforts have been diminished by the failure to remove every single member of both clans from the Alley of Fame.

 

 

So right mate, I heard a certain officer tried to hide behind the fact that he didn't agree with what was happening, bull**t then why wait for the evidence to come up??? why not take the initiative and say something or bring it to wg's attention. Instead they are all having a laugh at the situation, moved onto another dodgy clan and will reap the rewards over others who continue to play legit. I'ts turned into a joke


 


Ezz #27 Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:19 PM

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For mine, and this goes for a range of shit from botting, illegal mods to cw cheating, if the shit is still happening, then the punishments clearly aren't working effectively as a deterrent. If precedents were set and yet it's still going on, then change the precedent.

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Saffelicious #28 Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:19 PM

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View PostCenturion_MK64, on 06 July 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

My opinion as a long term player is this:

 

CW will never be free from rule breaking until the penalties are applied to match the impact it has on the game, If this was a team in WG League they would all be kicked from the competition and all rewards and prizes removed. I dont buy the "it was only one player" argument. One player who cheats breaks the rules can have a massive impact on the outcome of a game and everyone in that match benefits from the act as well as the clan as a whole.

 

If an individual is caught cheating breaking the rules in any team sport the w\hole team is sanctioned, it makes for an honest group. If, as they claim, the other clan members knew this was happening and were against it why didnt they contact WG and ask for action to be taken rather than sit back and now complain because the facts came out. I didnt see anyone stepping up and becoming a whistle-blower. Why did they ready up for the battles rather than sitting them out?

 

Other teams have put in a massive effort to play to the rules and their efforts have been diminished by the failure to remove every single member of both clans from the Alley of Fame.

 

And in case you are wondering, for all the above reasons I dont do CW as a competitive player anymore. I turn up and help out when the clan needs me to, so no I am not worried by the lack of a tank.

Even in WGL the teams caught only got a slap on the wrist half the time. 

We lost out on was it $5000USD or whatever it was when the chinese teams rigged towards the end of the season and got 2nd place instead of us. 

 

Punishing 180-200 players for the action of 1-2 people seems a bit harsh.

In saying that if I was on the other end I would probably say punish them all.

 

In regards to the rigging I still dont even understand what the hell is going on and not even bothered to really get the full story. 

We were all ready ahead of everyone else and I would say 95% certain of winning, so in reality what happened did not really affect anyone else on the leaderboard.

I would only assume atlus would have been 2nd no matter what as well. But again in saying that, punishment needs to be handed out. 

 

I left for central coast on day 2 and came back yesterday to this shit show. 
Should I be denied a chance for a reward for something that had absolutely nothing to do with me? 

Just perma ban the people that cause the issues and maybe on day it will be "semi" clean campaign. 

or at least perma ban them from anything clan wars related. 
 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
 
 
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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #29 Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:35 PM

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Unfortunately the system is broken which means it will never be fair...

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CelestiaLudenberg #30 Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:51 PM

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The people who were put into the rigged games weren't really benefitting much, as even without the rigging aspect of it one team was going to get the points and the others were not. 

 

From what I understand the amount was pretty equal, so the personal fame impact is pretty negligible as when not rigging both sides were equal, but I uinderstand where you are coming from.

 

The players themselves in the games that were thrown/rigged also got personal sanctions for it, several people were posting screenshots of them being banned for throwing/suiciding etc, others in the same battles who chose to play properly did not get such sanctions as they personally did not break the rules.

 

If you read the CW rules/regulations they very clearly state that personal in-game violations are handled separately from clan sanctions. i.e; Officers who set up the rigged games were banned and the clan was sanctioned, the other players who were put into said games were sanctioned based on if they were actively and clearly throwing, rather than just playing properly but lose because the rest of the people threw.


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View PostSaffelicious, on 06 July 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Should I be denied a chance for a reward for something that had absolutely nothing to do with me? 

 

Yes. If no one is talking, then ban everyone who benefits unless those responsible own up to it.



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View PostDieselnuts, on 06 July 2020 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

Yes. If no one is talking, then ban everyone who benefits unless those responsible own up to it.

 

Except that makes no sense as Saffe did not benefit from any of it, the personal benefit would be if you got a shitload of points from being in a rigged game where you are supposed to win, there are no other benefits for the players. So considering Saffe was literally not there for any of it, he did not benefit in any way at all, and that can easily be seen by WG via the battle logs.


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View PostSaffelicious, on 06 July 2020 - 05:19 PM, said:

 

Just perma ban the people that cause the issues and maybe on day it will be "semi" clean campaign. 

or at least perma ban them from anything clan wars related
 

four campaigns in a row, this would have been a good idea....


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Saffelicious #34 Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:55 PM

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View PostDieselnuts, on 06 July 2020 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

Yes. If no one is talking, then ban everyone who benefits unless those responsible own up to it.

Yeah but that would imply that people knew what was going on.

Which im pretty sure was not the case.

And there was no benefit for me.


Also was any games actually rigged in game?


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Dieselnuts #35 Posted 06 July 2020 - 02:04 PM

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It would suck for the innocent people caught up in it, but they should be more careful who they associate with. As stated before, this is what, 4 campaigns in a row? That we know about anyway.

 

I also don't buy the "no one benefits" rhetoric. If no one is benefiting from match rigging why does it keep happening?

 



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"More careful who they associate with" 

 

As if people know if someone is going to rig a game in the future. People with a track record of doing it? Sure. The people in this instance? No.

 

If you do not believe the 'rhetoric', in what way did Saffe or myself benefit from people the respective clans rigging, if Saffe was not there to take part, and I wasn't either due to only doing the first hour then going to bed?


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steeve_old #37 Posted 06 July 2020 - 02:10 PM

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every year same old scat

maybe if clan leaders where held accountable for clan actions it might stop

feel a little bad for the players who went along with this particular bit of stupidity but if your gunna stick your arse in the wind..... 



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Play with fire

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You might not have been in any rigged battles, but you still benefit by being in a clan that won fame from other rigged battles.



Centurion_MK64 #40 Posted 06 July 2020 - 02:16 PM

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This has been ongoing for as long as CW has been played on this server right back to season one and onwards. Who remembers the action taken by Tanitha to disband clans and remove the whole lot from the events.

 

And it doesnt matter if you got a few or a lot of fame points, there is no such thing as a little rigging or cheating.


 
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